Curing Depression With Amino Acids And Vitamins

[Mia42]

I didn't know about taking Vit. D with fat. But mine are in little gel caps, so could be formulated with fatty acids. I'll keep that in mind when I take mine in the future, thanks.

[stardreamer]

yeah there are so many tricky things. like don't take iron or zinc or calcium together... i try to buy the most absorbable forms. i didn't know about fat.... it's a complicated thing.

 

i think fish oil is supposed to help depression too

[Mia42]

Interesting about the iron, zinc or calcium. I've been putting zinc in my smoothies which has yogurt, which I assume has calcium? GAH.

 

Fish oil upsets my stomach big time.

 

I just read that it's important to take SJW that is from the tops (flowers) only and not the kind that contains leaves and stems. I've been using the cheap drug store stuff. I'm thinking of buying a high quality tincture from Amazon. But my apt. with the psydoc is next Thur. about the time the tincture would arrive. 

 

I'm just not sure what to do. I'd really like to give SJW a try before I go with a prescription. But I don't want to put off my appt.

[Mia42]

Ok, I ordered the tincture form Amazon. Dh talked me into it. In the mean time I've upped the dosage to the max of 1800 mg. Hopefully that'll help until I get the tincture.

[Orso]

I've been taking Vitamin B6 and a supplement made from rice bran oil to help with stress.  It's only 1 week so we'll see how it goes.  I've been careful to take it morning and night as suggested.  I've also been taking B12 b/c I don't eat much meat.  I've heard it can also be helpful.  Looking forward to seeing some positive results.

[stardreamer]

vitamin absorption stuff:

yeah, iron, zinc, and calcium can interfere with each other's absorption. i think you need to space them at least 2 hours apart, probably the further apart, the better.

and the phytic acid in certain foods, like bran, beans, nuts, and rice, can interfere with the absorption of zinc and iron and calcium too. so maybe don't take those vitamin supplements with phytic acid foods, if it's possible.

magnesium: supposedly it does better in a non-acidic environment. so if you just drank a bunch of lemonade, don't take magnesium.

iron + vitamin C: this is a good combo that helps iron absorb better. so take the iron pill with the lemonade.

 

calcium: needs vitamin D. 

i think the electrolytes have to balance each other somewhat (magnesium, calcium, potassium), so for example if you had zero amount of one of these in your system and took a high dose of the others, absorption might not be very good.

Edited September 18, 2015 by stardreamer

[stardreamer]

I've been taking Vitamin B6 and a supplement made from rice bran oil to help with stress.  It's only 1 week so we'll see how it goes.  I've been careful to take it morning and night as suggested.  I've also been taking B12 b/c I don't eat much meat.  I've heard it can also be helpful.  Looking forward to seeing some positive results.

i also started eating small amounts of meat recently... i don't want to eat it really but someone suggested to me that my body temperature used to be higher when i was a meat eater, that i set the thermostat at cold temperatures, that when i was a vegetarian i kept setting the thermostat higher and higher, there may be something to this.

still can't bring myself to eat a whole lot of meat though. i would rather be a fish-atarian. i'm restricting it to like 1 oz. a day for now, using it more as a nutritional supplement, and only getting the humanely raised-no chemical meat. it's hard to tell if the meat was a factor in my slight improvement this week since i also upped my vitamin intake as well at the same time.

Edited September 18, 2015 by stardreamer

[Mia42]

I discovered some L-Lysine (amino acid) and Turmeric in my cabinet that I bought a while back, so I'm going to work those into my regime. Turmeric helps with inflammation. 

[jimbow15]

Well I have tried this method. I read up and studied every single amino acid, how the brain produces it natural chemistry. Absorption rates of all the different natural chemicals .

 

I am well versed in the Biochemistry of the Brain and Body as part of my profession. So I went into great detail to see precisely how internally produced chemistry and external synthetic chemicals impact on the brain and the effect on mood, depression and other  disorders .

 

No matter how hard you try to take an external chemical to replicate  the same natural production it never works . The body has it own dustbin way of dumping out chemicals it does not want in your system.  So the reaction of the body what it see as foreign elements is to dispose.

 

As the specialised neurones of the brain that produce the likes of Serotonin, Dopamine and Adrenalin have their own mechanism it is those neurones that need to be stimulated to start producing the right levels of their natural chemicals again. These happy neurotransmitters do not seem to respond to outside chemistry in any positive way.

 

Biochemists are working hard to try and find something other than SSRI, SNRI  and such with a cure. What I mean is something that will get the specialised neurones in the brain to kick start their production again.

 

Best Wishes

 

Jim Bow

 

 

[Mia42]

Jim Bow - You said, "So the reaction of the body what it see as foreign elements is to dispose."

 

Wouldn't our bodies then reject any pill we take?

 

You said, "Biochemists are working hard to try and find something other than SSRI, SNRI  and such with a cure."

 

If our brain/bodies sees a natural animo acid as foreign and dumps it, then how can it accept a foreign/man made SSRI, SNRI etc.  as a cure?

 

Sorry I'm just confused.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Mia42

[sabishikunaru]

Interesting about the iron, zinc or calcium. I've been putting zinc in my smoothies which has yogurt, which I assume has calcium? GAH.

 

Fish oil upsets my stomach big time.

 

I just read that it's important to take SJW that is from the tops (flowers) only and not the kind that contains leaves and stems. I've been using the cheap drug store stuff. I'm thinking of buying a high quality tincture from Amazon. But my apt. with the psydoc is next Thur. about the time the tincture would arrive. 

 

I'm just not sure what to do. I'd really like to give SJW a try before I go with a prescription. But I don't want to put off my appt.

What stardreamer pointed out is true, but I wouldn't worry too much about mixing them, unless you're especially deficient in one of them. Many of these minerals come from the same natural food sources, though all of those will tend to be less nutrient-dense than they used to be, nowadays. I'm more concerned about keeping my mineral intake away from my intake of phytic/oxalic acids, caffeine, and sugar. I do take the extra step of having my iron on an empty stomach with a small vitamin C source (preferably citrus fruit, berries, or similar), though.

 

vitamin absorption stuff:

yeah, iron, zinc, and calcium can interfere with each other's absorption. i think you need to space them at least 2 hours apart, probably the further apart, the better.

and the phytic acid in certain foods, like bran, beans, nuts, and rice, can interfere with the absorption of zinc and iron and calcium too. so maybe don't take those vitamin supplements with phytic acid foods, if it's possible.

magnesium: supposedly it does better in a non-acidic environment. so if you just drank a bunch of lemonade, don't take magnesium.

iron + vitamin C: this is a good combo that helps iron absorb better. so take the iron pill with the lemonade.

 

calcium: needs vitamin D. 

i think the electrolytes have to balance each other somewhat (magnesium, calcium, potassium), so for example if you had zero amount of one of these in your system and took a high dose of the others, absorption might not be very good.

Further to this, calcium and magnesium are natural antacids and iron absorption ideally benefits from it passing through a suitably acidic environment (which may be how it is that highly acidic vitamin C helps). This is why I make an exception for iron (in supplement form) and keep it away from anything else I'm having, but other than that I don't think mixing the rest of one's mineral intake should matter.

 

i also started eating small amounts of meat recently... i don't want to eat it really but someone suggested to me that my body temperature used to be higher when i was a meat eater, that i set the thermostat at cold temperatures, that when i was a vegetarian i kept setting the thermostat higher and higher, there may be something to this.

Looking forward to seeing some positive results.

 

still can't bring myself to eat a whole lot of meat though. i would rather be a fish-atarian. i'm restricting it to like 1 oz. a day for now, using it more as a nutritional supplement, and only getting the humanely raised-no chemical meat. it's hard to tell if the meat was a factor in my slight improvement this week since i also upped my vitamin intake as well at the same time.

 

I feel you on the not wanting to eat meat thing. Low iron and/or low thyroid hormone (the former can temporarily cause the latter incidentally) will tend to lead to a person feeling cold a lot, incidentally. I've been that way all my life myself, and I ate very little meat until the beginning of this year. Once my iron levels are good, and I've hopefully improved my current life situation, I hope to get most of my iron from low-oxalate vegetables. :)

Edited September 19, 2015 by sabishikunaru

[Orso]

I'm also veg-ish & my iron was (is?) low.  I am trying to eat fish at least once a week to get some more energy. 

 

Thanks to everyone for posting all the info here on what they're trying and what they know.  This is really great.

 

[Mia42]

I received the SJW tincture today. Anxious to try it this evening. Worried about what it will taste like. I'm going to try it in some cranberry juice, hoping that will mask the taste. It says to put one full dropper worth (0.7 ml) into 2 oz. of water or juice, two to five times a day, between meals. 

 

I still have some of the pills left, I'll save those for when I'm gong to be gone all day and don't want to fool with the juice/tincture mixture.

[Mia42]

Actually I'm going to wait on the tincture until after my appt.

[Mia42]

Glad I waited. Just got back from my appt. He bad-talked the SJW and amino acids like I thought he would. Saying the SJW wasn't regulated and that you didn't know what you were getting in those bottles. He also said what Jimbow said above about the amino acids not being able to break some barrier and so they wouldn't have any affect over the brain chemistry.

 

So I let him talk me into Wellbutrin, lowest dosage to start. Hope it works!

[stardreamer]

 

Interesting about the iron, zinc or calcium. I've been putting zinc in my smoothies which has yogurt, which I assume has calcium? GAH.

 

Fish oil upsets my stomach big time.

 

I just read that it's important to take SJW that is from the tops (flowers) only and not the kind that contains leaves and stems. I've been using the cheap drug store stuff. I'm thinking of buying a high quality tincture from Amazon. But my apt. with the psydoc is next Thur. about the time the tincture would arrive. 

 

I'm just not sure what to do. I'd really like to give SJW a try before I go with a prescription. But I don't want to put off my appt.

What stardreamer pointed out is true, but I wouldn't worry too much about mixing them, unless you're especially deficient in one of them. Many of these minerals come from the same natural food sources, though all of those will tend to be less nutrient-dense than they used to be, nowadays. I'm more concerned about keeping my mineral intake away from my intake of phytic/oxalic acids, caffeine, and sugar. I do take the extra step of having my iron on an empty stomach with a small vitamin C source (preferably citrus fruit, berries, or similar), though.

 

vitamin absorption stuff:

yeah, iron, zinc, and calcium can interfere with each other's absorption. i think you need to space them at least 2 hours apart, probably the further apart, the better.

and the phytic acid in certain foods, like bran, beans, nuts, and rice, can interfere with the absorption of zinc and iron and calcium too. so maybe don't take those vitamin supplements with phytic acid foods, if it's possible.

magnesium: supposedly it does better in a non-acidic environment. so if you just drank a bunch of lemonade, don't take magnesium.

iron + vitamin C: this is a good combo that helps iron absorb better. so take the iron pill with the lemonade.

 

calcium: needs vitamin D. 

i think the electrolytes have to balance each other somewhat (magnesium, calcium, potassium), so for example if you had zero amount of one of these in your system and took a high dose of the others, absorption might not be very good.

Further to this, calcium and magnesium are natural antacids and iron absorption ideally benefits from it passing through a suitably acidic environment (which may be how it is that highly acidic vitamin C helps). This is why I make an exception for iron (in supplement form) and keep it away from anything else I'm having, but other than that I don't think mixing the rest of one's mineral intake should matter.

 

i also started eating small amounts of meat recently... i don't want to eat it really but someone suggested to me that my body temperature used to be higher when i was a meat eater, that i set the thermostat at cold temperatures, that when i was a vegetarian i kept setting the thermostat higher and higher, there may be something to this.

Looking forward to seeing some positive results.

 

still can't bring myself to eat a whole lot of meat though. i would rather be a fish-atarian. i'm restricting it to like 1 oz. a day for now, using it more as a nutritional supplement, and only getting the humanely raised-no chemical meat. it's hard to tell if the meat was a factor in my slight improvement this week since i also upped my vitamin intake as well at the same time.

 

I feel you on the not wanting to eat meat thing. Low iron and/or low thyroid hormone (the former can temporarily cause the latter incidentally) will tend to lead to a person feeling cold a lot, incidentally. I've been that way all my life myself, and I ate very little meat until the beginning of this year. Once my iron levels are good, and I've hopefully improved my current life situation, I hope to get most of my iron from low-oxalate vegetables. :)

 

yeah, i'm wondering if the improvement and less incidences of being cold have been caused by me taking extra iron with lemon juice every day. it may not actually be the meat. phytic acid is an issue, but honestly a lot of the food i eat has phytic acid in it (beans, rice, nuts). i try to not take any vitamins with the nuts or beans and to space out the supplements but this can be challenging because you have to pay attention to vitamins throughout the whole day.

[stardreamer]

since finding out that vitamin D is fat-soluble, if i am taking a pill that has vitamin D in it without any food, i take it with 1 tbsp. oil. i think this does increase the effectiveness of it