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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Naturally" data-cid="91570" data-time="1138769653"><p>

Hi Hope4Life,<br />

Thanks for replying. I'm actually taking L. acidophilus and B. longum (normal gut bacteria) and 1.5 g of melatonin at night. I actually feel normal-I can't believe it. <br />

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I was very desperate over xmas - actually wrote 'goodbye notes'. I did take all kinds of vitamins and minerals in my time of desperation then stopped because I didn't want to just blindly start stuffing myself with vitamins/minerals thereby introducing too many variables to determine what works for me. I did what all people struggling with depression (and doctors) say not to do - I went off my meds without doctor supervision. I have been on them for 10 years. [side note and something to think about: Did you know that 95% (my statistics not based on much) of the pharmaceutical meds out there have an unknown mechanism of action?] I just wanted out of the depression, and believe that naturally is the way to go. For anyone reading this, PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOLISH LIKE ME AND GO OFF YOUR MEDS UNLESS YOUR UNDER THE CARE OF A DOCTOR (naturopathic or traditional). PLEASE KNOW THAT I AM NOT ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO GO OFF THERE MEDS - IT CAN BE FATAL. It was scary, and I think I went through a hypomanic phase for about 2-3 weeks (I came off Effexor and Wellbutrin). It's scary because I worry about relapse, but after my 'close call' over xmas, I'm determined to beat this depression. <br />

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I've read a lot of published papers on mercury (a neurotoxin) from dental amalgam, and decided to have my fillings removed (planned for 23 Feb06). I've also read up on the 'yeast connection', hence the reason I'm taking L. acidophilus and B. longum. If I remember correctly, L. acidophilus produces tryptophan which is an amino acid that may aid in alleviating depression. It also repopulates your normal gut bacteria, aids in nutrient absorption, and controls yeast overgrowth). I read 1 journal abstract about melatonin - it was a very small study, maybe 20-30 people - they found that evening melatonin levels in patients with major depressive disorder were significantly lower that the control subjects, hence the reason I'm taking melatonin at night. I've also read up on orthomolecular medicine/psychiatry. I've also seen much information on how acupuncture, yoga and meditation aids in alleviating depression (I haven't done this recently, but I know in the past, it has helped me). I guess I'm trying to say that I'm not doing this blindly and have supportive friends with whom I discuss what I am doing, and I watch for and talk about any signs of depression. <br />

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I have an appointment with a naturopathic doctor in 2 days to discuss a nutrition/detox program needed to remove the mercury from my system. I'm also going to discuss orthomolecular psychiatry with her. <br />

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In short, I feel really good. I'm cleaning my house, I'm calling people (just to say hi) that I've been out of touch with because I've simply been to depressed to want to socialize (this is huge for me). My refrigerator is full (and full of healthy foods!). I feel like I'm back after being gone for 10 years. <br />

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I know this was a little longwinded, but I wanted to share some information to maybe give some other people hope, just a little information on alternate ways of treating depression, and let them know that maybe we don't have to live and struggle with depression for life. I can only hope that I don't relapse.<br />

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Naturally</p></blockquote>

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Hi Naturally,

I am new DF and just came across your post from 2006. How are you doing? I have also been on Effexor and wellbutrin for over 10 yrs now. However, I had a relapse when I stopped Effexor without doctor supervision and then again another time with doctor supervision. I have been to a neurophysiologist and holistic psychiatrist and experimented with vitamins, supplements, etc. I actually broke out of the depression twice for a brief period of time but relapses when trying to get off meds. At this point I am back on meds and don't think I'll try to get off again. But I am still depressed withthe meds and want to use supplements to break out of it again. Problem is that the doctors I saw didn't really know which supplements or why I broke out of the depression. I have been on Adrecor, calm prt, d Phenylalinine, 5htp, and several other things. Have you connected with the naturopathic? I was thinking that might be good but it's not cheap and not sure if it would pay off anyway. Any feedback would be helpful. Thanks. Hope you are well...

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I don't think of myself as in recovery; that makes me look back and 'what if' starts again: 'what if' the anxiety/depression takes over again and I can't get out and about.

Good subject! How do others feel?

Lizzy, I am curious-how do you think about it? I have a similar problem-I often think back to the darker times in my past, where I was haunted by anxiety and depression. I'm so afraid of going back to that horrible state I was in, that I have a hard time looking positively towards the future. What do you tell yourself instead of telling yourself that you're recovering?

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For most people setting goals is part of recovery, however small or large. Experiencing psychiatric symptoms can take up a great deal of your time and energy. Sometimes this makes it difficult to engage in activities or to even figure out what you want to do.

It may be helpful to take some time and think about what's important to you, what you want to acccomplish and what you want your life to be like. The following questions may be helpful:

> What kind of friendships would you like to have?

> What would you like to do with your spare time?

> What kind of hobbies, sports or activities would you like to

participate in?

> What kind of work (paid or volunteer) would you like to do?

> Are there any classes you would you like to take?

> What kind of close relationships would you like to have?

> What kind of living situation would you like to have?

> Would you like to change your financial situation?

> How would you like to express your creativity?

> What kind of relationship would you like to have with your

family?

> What kind of spiritual community would you like to belong to?

It may also be helpful to look at this another way...

*Which areas of my life do I feel most satisified with?

*Which areas am I least satisfied with?

*What would I like to change?

Identifying what you would like to improve in your life will

help you set goals.

Break goals down into smaller more managable goals, that are realistic and attainable. Start with short-term goals that are likely to be achieved.

Focus one one goal at a time. Get support in working on goals. Other people's ideas and participation can be invaluable. Don't be discouraged if it takes longer to attain a goal than expected. This happens. If your first attempt doesn't work, change strategies.

Planning Steps:

Define the goal you want to work on.

List 3 possible ways to achieve the goal.

Evaluate the pros and cons for each possibility of achieving

your goals.

Choose the best way to achieve your goal.

Plan the steps for achieving your goal. Who will be involved?

What will be needed? What is the time frame? What

resources will be needed? What problems might come up?

How can they be overcome?

Set a date to evaluate your plan. Focus on the positive.

What has been achieved? What went well? If you goal

hasn't been achieved, revise your plan or set up another goal.

I would love to see this thread revitalized, it is amazing to me how long ago it was started. Can't figure out how to copy this from my iPad to use but will keep trying.

Thanks Jackie for the help on setting goals!

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I just seen it as good day bad thing and that's all. I just get up and see what each day brings if I am well I am well if I am crap I am crap. I go with what's happening maturally. If I don't feel up to something it ain't my fault and I don't try to change it's just how I feel.

I don't judge by what I do all day for example if I go out and I am feeling crap it doesn't matter, if I stay in and I am feeling crap it doesn't matter if I am outside and I feel fine or inside i feel fine I go day by day.

Nightworld1066

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I am new to this forum, so I apologize if I am posting this in the wrong place. I just have been wanting to somehow share what I have been learning and figuring out with depression in my own life. 

A little background:

I have been experiencing moderate to severe depression for about 7 to 8 years. It has fluctuated but a constant challenge. I have been hospitalized at one time for suicidal behavior. I have been through the usual steps for treating depression - therapy, medication, doctors, etc. Nothing has ever really helped until recently. And I am actually not completely sure what has caused my dramatic improvement in the last two months or so. Also, I am still somewhat hesitant to share my experience because it may be too early to tell the truth of what has been going on. Regardless, I have felt a great compulsion to share and see what others may think. 

Currently:

As of today and over the last couple of months I have been, as near as I can tell, depression free. Again, I recognize that it is a short time but I haven't felt this good for a long time. Also, I feel and think much differently than I ever have before. These are the things that I have changed and may be the cause of my improvement. 

The biggest thing that has helped me change the most has been listening to Dr. Jordan B Peterson. You may have heard of him, as he is something of a Youtube sensation. He has some very interesting things to say about depression and anxiety, as well as life in general. I would like to attempt to find all the videos and lectures that he has given that have been the most helpful  - in order to reduce the need of people searching them out on their own. It would be practically impossible to write all the ways he has caused me to reflect and think about life and depression. 

One thing that he mentioned in a lecture was how many of his clients (he was a clinical psychologist for a long time) would start to eat a breakfast high in fat and protein and their anxiety would essentially disappear by that alone. I have always had a great interest in food, diets, and health and had been reading some other material on that subject about the same time. It was a book that made the case that sugar is bad and fat and protein are good. I had also been reading about ketogenic diets and wanted to try it out (I didn't need to lose weight but I had some other issues that I hoped would be solved by this radical change in diet). A close friend and I challenged each other to do a complete keto diet, no cheat days, for one month. This was back in November and December. So I ate a very high fat, moderate protein, and very low carb diet. I ate a lot of bacon, eggs, sausage, cream and some berries. 

This was quite an experience and I have tried continue this diet but haven't been fully doing it since. However, I do always eat a high fat, high protein breakfast every morning. I eat either sausage or bacon with eggs and sometimes cream with some berries. I have definitely noticed a big difference in this change in diet with my depression and anxiety levels. I would definitely recommend trying this out or start to read about it and consider it (although this is NOT medical advice as I am not a doctor - please check with your doctor). I have read others that have had a similar experience with their depression being largely reduced by switching to a low carb diet. 

Another thing that I learned and further explored from Jordan Peterson was the idea of meaning and happiness. He is a big proponent of seeking meaning in your life instead of happiness. Before I started thinking about this I had thought that if my depression would go away then I would be happy and that I was pursuing happiness to combat my depression. This of course never really worked. It is very difficult to fake happiness and it usually only made it worse for me to pretend. However, I had my own realizations that it would be much better for seek meaning in my life. What is meaning and what is meaningful? This is where I would recommend watching some of Jordan's lectures. This is one of the main topics he discusses and has studied in his career. 

I also realized that this was where there was a big hole in my life. I wasn't necessarily living a meaningless life but neither was I living a meaningful one. I wasn't sure what direction to go in life. I wasn't sure what kind of career I should follow. (By the way, I am 25 years old). This made me feel very frustrated, depressed, and filled me with self hate and contempt. I would say to myself, "You are so stupid, you have no idea what to do with your life. What have you been doing with your time? You are a loser!" I would say that all the time to myself. I was in this rut of self hate and depression. I lost all motivation to do anything at all. Everything felt useless and meaningless. I was working and going to school but mostly going through the motions. 

But as I was listening to Jordan Peterson, I started to think about what would be meaningful to me. What should I pursue? What should I not pursue? I thought I wanted to be doctor. But the thoughts of medical school and residency would make me depressed. I realized that it wasn't for me. Then I started to explore my options. I realized and told myself that I had options. I wasn't doomed to failure, depression, medical school, or anything. I began to believe (and you should too) that the ball was in my court, so to speak. I had the power and the ability to choose what I did with my life. I had choices that I could make and should make. As I said, I began to really explore what I would enjoy doing for work and what would make my life meaningful. 

This led me to really seek to understand who I was. What was my personality? Am I extroverted or introverted? Am I open to experience? etc. So I took some personality tests - I would recommend the Big 5, as it is the most studied and robust. I began (I am still working on it) to figure out who I am and what makes me tick, so to speak. I realized that I am quite introverted. This means that I need time alone with my own thoughts. This also meant that I would be better suited for a job in which I can work on something by myself or in small groups or partnerships. I would do very poorly in a job, like a doctor, where I had to talk to different people all day every day, one after another. This would drain me. I could also remember examples of this in my past. This was a huge epiphany for me. I began to understand myself and my depression on another level. 

This led me to find jobs and careers that would suit my personality. I decided that I need to just make a choice and go for it. This would give me goals and things to work toward and I could find more meaning in my life. I chose to go into bioinformatics and computer science/programming. I found the field interesting, exciting, it fit my personality better, and I could see how it mattered to others and to the world (I could use it to make a difference in people's lives). 

I have thought about depression a lot and how to overcome it. The problem with depression is in contradiction with its solution. I would define depression as: a feeling of hopelessness that destroys all motivation in a person. When you are depressed you don't want to do anything. You don't see the point of doing anything. You feel stuck and that you will always be where you are no matter what you do. You want to lie down and give up (sometimes in the form of suicide). You feel that your life is such a mess that there is no way you can possibly repair it. At least, this is how I have experience depression. 

The solution for depression is to do something. Anything. You don't feel depressed when you are meaningfully engaged in something - work, school, relationships, etc. That is why the phrase every depressed person hates to hear but will inevitably hear everyday is, "Just get up and do something. It's all in your head." I think that is truly part of the solution but it is intrinsically difficult to do for someone who is depressed. They don't want to do the thing that will help them. 

I have been trying to figure out how it is that I got to this point. How did I go from incredibly depressed to completely not? Like I said earlier, I am not entirely sure. Here is what I think is part of the answer: find one thing that you actually want to change and be absolutely determined to do that one thing. For me it was the diet. I changed my diet for one month. I determined to myself that I was going to make it one month no matter what. And I did it. It definitely wasn't flawless but I found strength to control my desire to eat sugar that I didn't know I had before. That one change didn't remove my depression overnight but it started me on a course to finding other things that helped me overcome my depression (some of theme were mentioned above). 

The last thing I really want to drive home is that you can do it too! You can overcome your depression. I thought for years that I was simply doomed to battle depression for the rest of my life. What a prospect that was! But it's not true! You are not doomed to depression. You simply have a problem. If you work at it, search and find the answers you can overcome it and your problem will become a victory and a strength.

I hope that this may be helpful to someone. Please let me know if you want to know more. I am still figuring things out. 

Thanks for reading. 

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