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I don't fear the virus much but I have read A LOT that it is not a pandemic but a PLANdemic. I read how they are using this virus, whether it is a lab made or not, to destroy the economy and destroy us mentally and physically. In some poorer countries they say if they do another lock-down, people will get no pensions, no disability, no social assistance and most will lose job income too. There are massive protests in Italy, Spain etc but our media is hiding it.

In my country they are postponing surgeries because of it. So people will be dying from much more deadly diseases than covid.

I know  the best person to talk about this is a counsellor. But I don't have one yet so I gotta share it here. It kills me to live like this. USA will be locked down too if Biden wins, Trump is opposing it but who knows what he will do too if he wins. I am also getting off dexedrine and suboxone which make things worse and I need peace in my life not stress. I am in distress.

I wish I was not scared. I wish the conspiracy is not true. I wish it is not winter on the doorstep. I hate winters and here they last upto 8 months.

Even if I found something to do in winter this corona thing is ruining everything. 😢

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Do I believe this entire thing was someone's plan?  No I can't allow myself to believe that.  I think the really bad part is we live in a world where nobody trusts anyone anymore and we believe this could be someone's plan.  If we all found out this was someone's plan our reaction would be yeah that doesn't surprise me.  That's the scary part the complete division of people and no trust whatsoever for anyone.  Where does the world really go from here under these circumstances?

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@Zagor It feels that way to me as well. The virus is real in the sense that it infects people and can even croak them, but that's true of the flu as well (which seems to have mysteriously disappeared for some reason). How much of it was planned is still unknown to me, but they are certainly using it to push *something* through; I'm guessing we will need medical passports (perhaps on an imbedded chip) to go anywhere in the near future. 

And then there's the talk about the "Great Reset..."

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I don't believe the great reset is going to happen.  Why?  Every country would have to agree to do the same thing.  I don't see it happening.  Could someone put the virus out there to try to start it to happen?  In this world sure.  It goes back to the problem I talked about us knowing we're being controlled by people capable of anything.  There's really no scenario that isn't possible with them.  I don't know what it is though.  I'm a very paranoid person but something tells me this story is a boring oh no the virus accidentally escaped from the lab and nothing more.  Of course there is the statement that these viruses shouldn't even be in a lab.

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Yeah I saw something that said by 2030 you'll own nothing but you will be happy.  Come on that doesn't sound like this country.  We can't believe we live in a place full of narcissists and also believe they will agree to be a part of a socialist society.

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I am not going to spread much the conspiracy any further here but I will say just a few things. If you go to facebook and type "us money twin towers" and watch the first several minutes of the 12something minute video, your mind will be blown.

Like sober4life said all these measures make sense but postponing surgeries because of it? Right here in Canada. In my homeland (The Balkans) the government said if we go to another lockdown no more pensions, disability, child support etc. But on their TV they put videos from hospitals around the world.Why? To enforce a lockdown. This is a fact. Having nothing and being happy is truth mixed with lies. That is worse than whole truth or whole lies. Greatest psychologists are behind this - theory.

The vaccines, if they ever approve them, they said one will not be enough. So that means a person who gets a vaccine still has to practice distancing and wear a mask (air forbidden). In some poor countries they say who refuses a vaccine will get no pension and so on.

Some say if you want to travel, vaccine first. So there are some contradictions here too but if truth is mixed with lies that's most dangerous.

Anyway, I hope this is all wrong what I learned. I came to this forum to get some help for these fears after all. If I were healthier I wouldn't care what will happen because I am not alone but my mental illness is torturing me because of this.

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On 11/3/2020 at 10:45 AM, sober4life said:

I don't believe the great reset is going to happen.  Why?  Every country would have to agree to do the same thing.

The UN. I read it was organized by Rothchilds. Every country is a UN member and they do as told.

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I just have to say something here and I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Neither do I mean to undermine anyone's opinions. 

But come on guys. Conspiracy theories do not stand any kind of scrutiny. 

It's not a case of "the illuminati" as it is about the "illiterati".

Somewhere down the line, in this social media - riddled world we live in, critical thinking and critical reading has been tossed out the window, and now we believe in the crap any tom, d ick or harry spew out in blogs, YouTube channels or tweets. It's all taken as gospel and we choose to believe it. 

Why do we do that? A few reasons come to mind. But for the main part, we are intellectually lazy. We are attracted to news and (dis) information that fits our world view and disregard anything that doesn't. 

Another thing entirely is we do the same thing humanity has done since the beginning of time. We externalize perceived "evil".

Its so much easier to blame abstract people or organisation than to examine ourselves and humanity and see that each and every one of us might have some responsibility too. Not perhaps on a personal level. But all the choices we make, all the stuff we buy, all the tweets we send all the votes we cast or not.. It all has an impact and we are PERSONALLY responsible for all our actions. 

I am not saying that there isn't a case against the self-entitled few who own the half of the world exploiting the markets and by extension the hoi polloi But a world wide conspiracy just doesn't make sense. 

 

Besides, humanity is too self centred and quite honestly too stupid for anything like that. 

 

 

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On 11/3/2020 at 7:43 AM, Zagor said:

I wish I was not scared. I wish the conspiracy is not true. I wish it is not winter on the doorstep. I hate winters and here they last upto 8 months.

Even if I found something to do in winter this corona thing is ruining everything. 😢

I am sad to hear you feel this way @Zagor, though I suppose we all feel this way, more or less. You are definitely not alone!

I am sorry about my post above(though I do stand by it), I came a bit strong and that is one of my “issues”(and believe me they are legion..). Your feelings are real to YOU and that is what counts. What we can at least attempt to do is listen to each other and try and alleviate the angst/anxiety we all experience.

I am not an expert, but humanity has been at this crossroads before. Pandemics come and go and though COVID is serious it is by no means the worst humanity has experienced. There are more people on this planet, more traveling and as we don’t have a general immunity or a vaccine(YET), it does make people more ill and there are more fatalities than “normal” infuenza” strains.

Though saying that, a whole lot of people die of influenza annually and it has more or less been an accepted fact. 
 

There is a lot we don’t know about this particular virus as yet, but it would seem one of the reasons it has attacked the USA so violently (apart from a certain head of state being a total arse about COVID), is the pathetic state of its health care system and underlining illnesses people have.

Obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and a load of other base illnesses people have make them more prone to the more serious symptoms of COVID. Yes, there have been fit 20 or 30 somethings who have had it bad and a few have indeed died of COVID, but they are the in the minority. . There is a lot we don’t know about COVID, indeed I read somewhere there is a whole lot we still don’t understand about viruses in general. But chances are that something like COVID might even be a blessing in disguise. This might be a catalyst to gain more knowledge  about viruses and might even be a start(baby steps) of some sort of multinational co-operation in fighting pandemics in the future. If that happened, who knows where it could lead! (I am not normally this upbeat and positive, but it IS a possibility).

Another reason the western countries in general seem to get more COVID fatalities is the fact that the demographics in many western countries has changed radically in the past two decades or so. There are more elderly people in Countries like the USA, UK, Italy, France Spain than ever before in human history..And any disease will hit elderly people worse, that is in general. And of course obesity and illnesses related to obesity are on the rise pretty much all over Europe and the USA, thanks to our penchant for sugars and fats that our global food industry is capitalizing on wonderfully..

I don’t know if this rant helps or not, but I hope you can feel better, @Zagor. You deserve to.

 

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10 hours ago, samadhiSheol said:

I just have to say something here and I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Neither do I mean to undermine anyone's opinions. 

But come on guys. Conspiracy theories do not stand any kind of scrutiny.

This is basically a 'me too' comment.

1.  I respect everyone's opinion.  Mine is definitely no better than anyone else's.

2.  I can definitely understand how/why people could believe a conspiracy theory.  The circumstances seem kinda suspicious to be coincidental.

3.  Certainly conspiracies do exist and have existed throughout history.

However, ... 

4.  Large conspiracies are very difficult to pull off.  If for no other reason, the bigger the conspiracy, the more people are involved.  And ... people are too undisciplined and self-centered for a whole group of people to successfully keep a secret, especially over a long period of time.  Somebody's gonna blab!

Of course, I could always be wrong ....

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Conspiracy theorist: A person who questions the statements of known liars. 🙂

I think I speak for many people when I say that I don't a trust a thing that comes across the corporate-owned media, nor out of Washington DC. The "right" people get fiendishly rich from wars and that's why we are always engaged in them.

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20 minutes ago, JD4010 said:

I think I speak for many people when I say that I don't a trust a thing that comes across the corporate-owned media, nor out of Washington DC.

Interesting ... those are the two groups that I consider most likely to attempt conspiracies.  😉  😆

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19 hours ago, sober4life said:

I remember when I was young.  You turned on the news and it was only on for an hour a day.  Now it's on for 24 hours but still probably has an hour of news.

They are trying very hard to keep the matrix in place. 

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I'm not mad at all people.  Some of them though have used the virus for their political gains and I wouldn't be surprised if there were people that lied and said they had the virus when they really didn't.  I will one day forget the name of the virus but I will never forget some of the monsters we've seen this year!

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14 hours ago, samadhiSheol said:

 

There is no matrix. All there is is a species putting their heads in the sand. F uck humanity. we deserve what is being dished out.

We deserve what is being dished out.  The ironic part is that we are dishing it out to ourselves.  Granted not each individual person but 'society' as a whole.  (I purposely did not use the word 'humanity'.)

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On 11/9/2020 at 1:52 AM, samadhiSheol said:

I just have to say something here and I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Neither do I mean to undermine anyone's opinions. 

But come on guys. Conspiracy theories do not stand any kind of scrutiny. 

It's not a case of "the illuminati" as it is about the "illiterati".

 

Hey I would like to agree with you. You may be right. You sure are right about "illiterati"

It would help me to understand how come back in April when covid cases were several times less than now, when we had about few hundred cases total in the whole city, they put a "nurse" on TV from a hospital that I live near by and she was crying her guts out how she sees people dieing every day. She was in tears and said it was a true horror. However, a few days later I went there and it was just as usual. I asked a nurse how many covid patients they have, she said she thinks ONE.

Why are they "postponing" surgeries due to covid and letting people die from way more dangerous diseases?

Why the media doesn't show the protests all over Europe? You can argue because they don't won't it to happen here and more but that's what media is for, right?

Despite the fact that all human beings could fit in the state of Texas and each family have a house with a yard, they still claim that the earth is overpopulated, that we already leave on it's reserves and the depopulation is necessary? I can agree that there should be rules about earth population control but not like in China. Over there if you have more than 1 child you go to jail.

If you type "us money twin towers" on FB you will find a video that I still would like someone to explain to me how is that possible? (They won't let me copy/paste, the 12 min video, you can ignore the religious part)

Lockdowns **** economy. You need a lockdown when the benefits overweight the risk. Some developing countries said if they go to another lockdown they will economically collapse and there will be no pensions, child benefits, income and so on. Even developed countries are at risk. How many people are gonna starve? People are against it, people would rather let the virus spread and let it run it's course than die from hunger and other diseases.

And I have to correct you. There has been less deaths this year by this date than last year or any year before. That is a fact.

I won't even go into why they offer people money to say that their loved once died from covid, and thinks like that.

I really hope that I am just paranoid and there is no cruel conspiracies.

PS. Someone mentioned aliens. Truth mixed with lies is way more dangerous than straight truth or straight lies.

"People who choose safety instead of freedom, end up with neither one"....quote from a US president...

 

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On 11/9/2020 at 11:51 AM, jkd_sd said:

I respect everyone's opinion.  Mine is definitely no better than anyone else's.

2.  I can definitely understand how/why people could believe a conspiracy theory.  The circumstances seem kinda suspicious to be coincidental.

3.  Certainly conspiracies do exist and have existed throughout history.

I think it's risky to normalize conspiracy thinking by drawing equivalencies with healthy doubt. 

A reasonable person can be convinced that a held belief isn't true when presented with facts to the contrary and possess some ability to think critically. 

Conspiracy theorists don’t want to be convinced their beliefs are fiction. The beliefs serve a great purpose that's deeply personal. Usually, the conspiracy belief fits a private narrative about their lives.

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