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Alright. It started off as an ordinary day at work on such a nice, lovely, warm day. Today, there were hardly any animals so my shift went by fast. However, I was in charge of cleaning the animals in the back- who were there for behavioral reasons and were pending adoptions.

Of course. Not the first time I've handled cats who had biting or "bipolar" issues

I'm cleaning the last room that had a cat who had just arrived there for already biting another staff member earlier this week. She didn't have a blanket under her stool, and since it seemed to be her favorite spot to lay, I brought here the thickest blanket I could find. I pet her head some (which she enjoyed), and then I turned to make my way to the door.

And then. Of course. She bit me without warning.

Now, I have a cat bite on the back of my leg that leaves all four punctures with dry blood. My duty is to let the supervisor know if a cat bites and broke skin. But the thing is, if I do that, she'll get euthanized for biting again while under behavioral observations. By law, we have to do that. And I don't want that to happen

I also know what it's likely for cat bites to get infections, so if I do get an infection, I can't bring myself to go to a doctor. So now I have the fate of an animals life with the possibility of having an infected bite.

Out of all days or times, why did this have to happen?

 

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I feel for your situation. There doesn't seem to be a good solution. She may bite others who might get infected and you most likely don't want to be responsible for that by not telling on the cat sooner. Maybe the cat is not happy with their life and would not mine going to cat heaven, just a thought. Please take care of yourself and get treatment for the bite.

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1 hour ago, BeyondWeary said:

I feel for your situation. There doesn't seem to be a good solution. She may bite others who might get infected and you most likely don't want to be responsible for that by not telling on the cat sooner. Maybe the cat is not happy with their life and would not mine going to cat heaven, just a thought. Please take care of yourself and get treatment for the bite.

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The thing is, I don't want a cat to be euthanized for my doing. She has only been on the bite procedure for a few days now, and I don't want to throw her under the bus if many people have gone in and out without her biting them before I was assigned the section today. Maybe it's something about me? She wasn't very happy with me walking about, but was okay with me petting her

A lot of times, cats there don't trust people. Thus they act out. Same with being in a kennel for days on end, with being moved here and there to a new room for adoption. That's the same way for dogs. People come in and visit with them all the time, so they have interactions. I don't know what the case is, but maybe she doesn't like us?

She was very briefly on the adoption floor before her incident happened. I'll look into at home treatments. I might put peroxide on it, but I washed it really good with soap and water when I got home

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11 hours ago, MaepleSyrup said:

Alright. It started off as an ordinary day at work on such a nice, lovely, warm day. Today, there were hardly any animals so my shift went by fast. However, I was in charge of cleaning the animals in the back- who were there for behavioral reasons and were pending adoptions.

Of course. Not the first time I've handled cats who had biting or "bipolar" issues

I'm cleaning the last room that had a cat who had just arrived there for already biting another staff member earlier this week. She didn't have a blanket under her stool, and since it seemed to be her favorite spot to lay, I brought here the thickest blanket I could find. I pet her head some (which she enjoyed), and then I turned to make my way to the door.

And then. Of course. She bit me without warning.

Now, I have a cat bite on the back of my leg that leaves all four punctures with dry blood. My duty is to let the supervisor know if a cat bites and broke skin. But the thing is, if I do that, she'll get euthanized for biting again while under behavioral observations. By law, we have to do that. And I don't want that to happen

I also know what it's likely for cat bites to get infections, so if I do get an infection, I can't bring myself to go to a doctor. So now I have the fate of an animals life with the possibility of having an infected bite.

Out of all days or times, why did this have to happen?

 

Ah that sucks, one thing that I do know that is Tee Tree Oil is Anti Bacterial, Anti Fungus and even Anti Viral. Also can dilute it an use it for mouth wash, plus I like the smell. I've treated myself with this for cat, dog, lizard and snake bites (non venomous)

9 hours ago, MaepleSyrup said:

The thing is, I don't want a cat to be euthanized for my doing. She has only been on the bite procedure for a few days now, and I don't want to throw her under the bus if many people have gone in and out without her biting them before I was assigned the section today. Maybe it's something about me? She wasn't very happy with me walking about, but was okay with me petting her

A lot of times, cats there don't trust people. Thus they act out. Same with being in a kennel for days on end, with being moved here and there to a new room for adoption. That's the same way for dogs. People come in and visit with them all the time, so they have interactions. I don't know what the case is, but maybe she doesn't like us?

She was very briefly on the adoption floor before her incident happened. I'll look into at home treatments. I might put peroxide on it, but I washed it really good with soap and water when I got home

What is in the room with the cat? It is possible that she (sorry going with German = cats are girls) could have become over excited/stimulated? Or it's just the way that she has played before? 

Was it an aggressive bite? Like did she hiss/ arch back? etc? That's the worrying one

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I know you probably don't want to hear this, but... tough love.

You need to follow procedure and notify your supervisor.  First you said, "not the first time I've handled cats who had biting or "bipolar" issues... she bit me without warning." Then you said, "I don't want a cat to be euthanized for my doing."  If the cat has been on the bite procedure for a few days, how exactly is this an isolated incident that is caused by your behavior?

I love cats to death. But truth is, animals can be temperamental same as people.  And most people don't know how or don't WANT to deal with temperamental animals.

You don't want the cat to get euthanized and you're OK risking your health because of it.  Well, what happens when/if she bites someone else and they get infected?  What happens when a family comes in and adopts her, and she attacks someone in the family?  How about a 1 year old child that doesn't understand temperamental animals?  What if the child gets an infection?  What happens if the child's face is mauled?  What happens if some young kid - just wanting an animal to love - gets bit, scratched, and left with facial scars?  Are you willing to risk that?

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50 minutes ago, Ratvan said:

What is in the room with the cat? It is possible that she (sorry going with German = cats are girls) could have become over excited/stimulated? Or it's just the way that she has played before? 

 Was it an aggressive bite? Like did she hiss/ arch back? etc? That's the worrying one

She had her necessecities- litter box, dishes, toys, etc., along with two stools and some blankets. She was really shy when she was on the adoption floor- played off as a shy, sweet kitty with a kitten meow. I fed her the morning she was on the adoption floor, but that afternoon, she bit a staff member.

She kept pawing at my shoe unhappily when I was trying to make my way throughout her room. And when I turned, she let out an aggressive meow and bit. But beforehand, she was all meows and cuddles when I first walked in.

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10 minutes ago, Stan Islavski said:

If the cat has been on the bite procedure for a few days, how exactly is this an isolated incident that is caused by your behavior?

People have already been in there countless times cleaning throughout the day before I was assigned the section- and no other people have been bitten. If you remind a cat or dog of somebody they didn't like, they both can and will act out. If people have cleaned her room before and had no other issues, I put it as my fault for upsetting her.

 

13 minutes ago, Stan Islavski said:

Well, what happens when/if she bites someone else and they get infected?  What happens when a family comes in and adopts her, and she attacks someone in the family?  How about a 1 year old child that doesn't understand temperamental animals?  What if the child gets an infection?  What happens if the child's face is mauled?  What happens if some young kid - just wanting an animal to love - gets bit, scratched, and left with facial scars?  Are you willing to risk that?

I honestly don't know how to feel about her biting someone else. Sometimes volunteers piss cats off without even trying or meaning too. Probably what happened. I don't know how to feel honestly. I don't know if it was just me or she really acts out like that- I don't know anything about her

And I don't mean to upset you or anybody, but I despise kids more than anything. What you're saying at the end doesn't bother me- but if it helps you feel better, we rate our cats and dogs for ages. Our more difficult cats/dogs will either be high school aged or older, or maybe adult only. So the chances of someone with a kid adopting her or any other difficult cat/dog are very, very slim.

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27 minutes ago, Stan Islavski said:

I know you probably don't want to hear this, but... tough love.

You know this is a common misconception with animals in general and especially with known aggressors. 

If you punish, scold, yell at, squirt, blow on animals especially Cats and Dogs you make them fear you more and further reinforce their flight or fight reaction. Honestly, positive reinforcement is much more effective a training method. 

@MaepleSyrup how old is the cat? Also how often does the cat get to socialise? To me it sounds like play aggression. Especially if that cry was aggressive sounding. Did she hide immediately after the bite? If so it's more than likely play aggression. For me i'd play with her until she's panting at least 3-4 times per day to release her energy. That must be hard in a shelter i guess? 

Climbing is another good way to reduce this, i take it that is why you have the stools in the rooms? personally I have random shelves all around my house to let Percy has space and height and be able to survey more and have a safe escape route. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Ratvan said:

@MaepleSyrup how old is the cat? Also how often does the cat get to socialise? To me it sounds like play aggression. Especially if that cry was aggressive sounding. Did she hide immediately after the bite? If so it's more than likely play aggression. For me i'd play with her until she's panting at least 3-4 times per day to release her energy. That must be hard in a shelter i guess

I think she's a few years old, maybe 4 or 5? She got to socialize daily from the volunteers when she was on the floor, but I'm not sure how much interaction she gets from being in the back. She had a pretty tall cat condo in her room on the adoption floor

No, she didn't hide- she just looked up at me as if it didn't even happen. It depends on the shelter, but I don't know if we're even allowed to visit cats in bite procedures. We don't want to risk another bite because it could lead to a possible euthanization if she already had a bite history

And yeah, I'm guessing that's why the stools are in there. She seemed to like hiding and laying on them

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Posted (edited)

This sounds like a particularly tough one, Maeple, and I don't envy your position.

The only solid advice I have is to get a tetanus booster if it's been more than five years...and, of course, watch for infection.

However, I'll go out on a limb here (as owner of a tough former street kitty).  You mentioned she was pawing at your shoe just prior.  Just a guess, but she may be unhappy being in the back in yet another new environment.  She may be desperate for attention.  idk if giving her special attention is feasible, but that's the route I'd take...along with positive reinforcement.

 

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36 minutes ago, MarkintheDark said:

This sounds like a particularly tough one, Maeple, and I don't envy your position.

The only solid advice I have is to get a tetanus booster if it's been more than five years...and, of course, watch for infection.

 

Yeah, it's been over 10 years XD

I'll keep an eye an on it. So far, nothing has happened. But I'll make sure it stays cleaned

Thanks Mark:1cat:

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1 hour ago, MaepleSyrup said:

And I don't mean to upset you or anybody, but I despise kids more than anything. What you're saying at the end doesn't bother me- but if it helps you feel better, we rate our cats and dogs for ages. Our more difficult cats/dogs will either be high school aged or older, or maybe adult only. So the chances of someone with a kid adopting her or any other difficult cat/dog are very, very slim.

Wow. OK.  You and your employer are obviously in control of the rest of the animals' lives.  You know for a fact that you place them with people that will never again see a person of any age that may display aggression toward the cat.

Whatever that is you have there, you need to bottle it.  Because it's worth billions.  And as a bonus, just throw in that lack of compassion for children that you're carrying around.

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1 hour ago, Ratvan said:

You know this is a common misconception with animals in general and especially with known aggressors. 

@MaepleSyrupIf you punish, scold, yell at, squirt, blow on animals especially Cats and Dogs you make them fear you more and further reinforce their flight or fight reaction. Honestly, positive reinforcement is much more effective a training method.

I have no misconceptions.  I understand exactly.  But most people don't.  That's why I clearly stated, "most people don't know how or don't WANT to deal with temperamental animals."

The only misconception here is that some people delude themselves into thinking that they can control animals, or the animal will NEVER act aggressively, or the animal will never again feel threatened in any manner for the rest of its life.

I'm not for putting down animals.  I love them.  And perhaps I don't know the full story with this particular cat.  I'm just going off what the OP wrote.  That's all I can do since that's all the information that was given to me.

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26 minutes ago, Stan Islavski said:

I have no misconceptions.  I understand exactly.  But most people don't.  That's why I clearly stated, "most people don't know how or don't WANT to deal with temperamental animals."

The only misconception here is that some people delude themselves into thinking that they can control animals, or the animal will NEVER act aggressively, or the animal will never again feel threatened in any manner for the rest of its life.

I'm not for putting down animals.  I love them.  And perhaps I don't know the full story with this particular cat.  I'm just going off what the OP wrote.  That's all I can do since that's all the information that was given to me.

Fair enough, interesting to see that some people can make other methods work

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1 hour ago, Ratvan said:

Fair enough, interesting to see that some people can make other methods work

Sorry. We’re not all as enlightened and judicious as you. Ironic since we’re in the depression forum. Kinda makes my feelings of worthlessness even more justified.

I am quite astonished at the lack of compassion in some of these posts.

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6 minutes ago, Stan Islavski said:

Sorry. We’re not all as enlightened and judicious as you. Ironic since we’re in the depression forum. Kinda makes my feelings of worthlessness even more justified.

I am quite astonished at the lack of compassion in some of these posts.

Sorry it was not my intention at all to cause any offence

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5 hours ago, Stan Islavski said:

Wow. OK.  You and your employer are obviously in control of the rest of the animals' lives.  You know for a fact that you place them with people that will never again see a person of any age that may display aggression toward the cat.

Whatever that is you have there, you need to bottle it.  Because it's worth billions.  And as a bonus, just throw in that lack of compassion for children that you're carrying around.

No, my employer controls where the animal goes. I'm just there to clean, socialize with the animals, and that's it. I have no say in anything: I just have to report problems. They decide what comes next. Every shelter is different, and some are the same. I'm not sure what I need to bottle, I'm just explaining the situation and my thoughts on it. Last time I checked, seems like a lot of people aren't really into kids. Just like how most people aren't into cats. People have their views, and that's the world.

3 hours ago, Stan Islavski said:

Sorry. We’re not all as enlightened and judicious as you. Ironic since we’re in the depression forum. Kinda makes my feelings of worthlessness even more justified.

I am quite astonished at the lack of compassion in some of these posts.

What we post doesn't prove we are enlightened or judicious people. It was a statement, that's all.

Like what @Ratvan said, didn't mean to cause any offense or trouble. Just discussing about the situation and other methods, while using our views or beliefs. Let's just leave this all behind us and call it a day.

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8 hours ago, MarkintheDark said:

You mentioned she was pawing at your shoe just prior.  Just a guess, but she may be unhappy being in the back in yet another new environment.  She may be desperate for attention.  idk if giving her special attention is feasible, but that's the route I'd take...along with positive reinforcement

I did kneel down and pet her for a minute or two, and I did the same thing when she was first on the adoption floor. I'm not sure what the story was with the other staff member, but whenever I tried to move around the room, she kept acting like I stepped on her.

But come to think of it, while I didn't notice she was showing her irritation towards me, she acted super friendly when kneeled back down. Maybe she wanted more pets? If her way of asking for more affection was through a harsh bite, I gotta say she has proven a point:1cat:

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5 hours ago, MaepleSyrup said:

But come to think of it, while I didn't notice she was showing her irritation towards me, she acted super friendly when kneeled back down. Maybe she wanted more pets? If her way of asking for more affection was through a harsh bite, I gotta say she has proven a point:1cat:

Yes, from all the details you gave, I think she wanted you to stick around and got upset when you turned to leave. Maybe not quite the same, but along similar lines as in the last minute or so in this video:

 

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15 minutes ago, anon22ae said:

Yes, from all the details you gave, I think she wanted you to stick around and got upset when you turned to leave. Maybe not quite the same, but along similar lines as in the last minute or so in this video:

Yes! That's similar to what she did- the more I kneeled and gave her attention, the more she seemed to get irritated when I pulled away. I guess giving her a blanket and leaving towards the door was her breaking point on signs.

I asked recent staff members who were in her room today if she came forward or anything- and they said she did really good! Maybe it was just me or it was giving her more attention the more upset she became

Update on the bite: the dry blood looks the same. The worst puncture seems to be a small lump with a very small bruise spot off to the side starting to form. The rest are still slightly red- with two of them hardly being visible. No soreness or swelling yet- hopefully...

Edited by MaepleSyrup

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