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I keep saying the same things but I just don’t know why I keep bothering. My health issues just keep staying with me no matter what I do.  It’s getting difficult to keep going day to day like this. I just don’t have much motivation to do anything when I’m like this. Also, I’m not entirely sure but I think my brother & his girlfriend might be moving back to my house a lot sooner than later. Possibly as early as next week so it’s like all I have to look forward to the next 8 months is sitting in my room when I’m at home for the most part. It’s not even that I don’t get along with them it’s just they’re going to take over all my space in the house where I usually am. I don’t know what to do anymore. My birthday just passed & it just feels like it’s going to be yet another year of all the same problems. How am I supposed to feel better if my health issues just stay with me? All I keep hearing is something in my jaw or ear popping out of place & get all these horrible symptoms where it’s like my body & mind is literally burning. I plan on seeing yet another dentist but I just don’t expect them to be able to help me. It has to be permanent damage if I haven’t gotten better from it at this point. I’m just beyond tired & don’t know what to do anymore. I know it’s a bit cliche to say but I seriously feel like I’m waking up to a horrible nightmare everyday that just never ends. 

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6 minutes ago, lonelyforeigner said:

Happy belated birthday! Just out of curiosity, have you tried taking benzos to see if maybe your TMJ is caused and/or made worse by anxiety? If it's anxiety-related that would explain why doctors can't find an underlying physical cause. 

Thanks. No I haven’t tried them. But I can feel the physical issue in my face muscles. I hear constant clicking & grating sounds in or around my ear whenever I hear the popping out of place sounds. And when it doesn’t pop out of place it feels like the joint is loose or something where I can still feel noises. Something is definitely wrong. At this point I wouldn’t even care if I needed some sort of surgery to fix this just so i don’t have these symptoms anymore. It’s affecting some nerve I think. I don’t really know though since no one can find out what’s wrong. Not sure what I have is a rare condition or what.  

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Don't underestimate anxiety, the physical symptoms it causes are very real. You don't even have to "feel" anxious, my anxiety is almost always physical and my mind can feel calm so I tend to not be aware of it until it becomes severe.  It could be that your muscles are constantly tense thus causing the grating sounds and clicking. I've had grating sounds before after an episode of acute anxiety, it usually goes away after a couple of days though. Obviously it's just a guess but I'd really try some benzos to see if that's the issue before even considering surgery. 

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I grind my teeth all night when asleep. I've ground them down almost to the gum line from anxiety. I often wake up with a clenched jaw and all the muscles hurt. I've even broken teeth from grinding so hard. All because of anxiety. Weeeeed helps relieve that anxiety at least...I've been doing less grinding over the past few months after "filling that prescription".

 

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2 hours ago, lonelyforeigner said:

Don't underestimate anxiety, the physical symptoms it causes are very real. You don't even have to "feel" anxious, my anxiety is almost always physical and my mind can feel calm so I tend to not be aware of it until it becomes severe.  It could be that your muscles are constantly tense thus causing the grating sounds and clicking. I've had grating sounds before after an episode of acute anxiety, it usually goes away after a couple of days though. Obviously it's just a guess but I'd really try some benzos to see if that's the issue before even considering surgery. 

I think it's possible anxiety caused my issue to begin with but it's not causing my symptoms now. I know something is physically wrong somewhere in my joints but I don't know what to do about it anymore. It's driving me crazy since I'm sick & tired of waking up everyday with it never getting better. I don't know what to do about it. I plan on going to a new dentist sometime soon but I just don't know what they'll be able to do for me. My primary doctor said that he doesn't deal with the issue I have & said to see a dentist about it. 

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1 hour ago, JD4010 said:

I grind my teeth all night when asleep. I've ground them down almost to the gum line from anxiety. I often wake up with a clenched jaw and all the muscles hurt. I've even broken teeth from grinding so hard. All because of anxiety. Weeeeed helps relieve that anxiety at least...I've been doing less grinding over the past few months after "filling that prescription".

 

Yeah, I've grinded my teeth too during high periods of stress. But these symptoms I have now are just really bizarre. Not sure what to do. I've been made 3 different night guards over the past 5 years & they haven't helped & I think possibly make my condition worse. 

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1 minute ago, GAJ123 said:

I think it's possible anxiety caused my issue to begin with but it's not causing my symptoms now. I know something is physically wrong somewhere in my joints but I don't know what to do about it anymore.

What makes you think that something is physically wrong with your joints? Don't recall where but I read that clenching your jaws can cause grinding noise because it forces the natural lubricants out of your joint. A night guard would not prevent clenching, it'll just make sure that you're not damaging your teeth in the process. 

Going to the dentist certainly isn't a bad idea but if I were you I'd still investigate anxiety as a culprit as well. Even if there's some damage that requires surgery simply getting your anxiety under control would likely lessen the symptoms you have now.  

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I used to have the same exact issues you had.  My issue went away.  I think it was anxiety for me.  That put together with the fact that my teeth were starting to fall out because of gum disease.  I had to overcompensate when I chewed anything and it screwed up my jaw big time.  It absolutely could be anxiety causing everything because you are so fed up with your situation that I can imagine your anxiety level being at a constant 10 like it was for me.

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I am sorry for your suffering. Another dentist sounds smart. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to get a referral to an oral surgeon. Per one site "Oral surgeons (also known as maxillofacial surgeons) specialize in ...jaw joint disorders, facial pain and surgery". I had to see one after a root canal gone bad - days in critical care. But the oral surgeon took good care of me.  

Do you think some muscle relaxants and pain meds might help?     At least short term.   

(Just to chime in with the rest - I too clench my jaws, with the dental work to show for it.And that's even with  benzos.  But I agree that meds can be very helpful. Keep hearing medical garden shrub is helpful. I'm disappointed about the mouth guards not being helpful )

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Oh yes garden shrub as they call it here can help with anxiety for sure.  You don't care about anything.  I remember one day standing and staring at a trash can and laughing for an hour.  It made me happy and it relaxed me so much I felt like I was being sucked into the couch most days.

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7 hours ago, lonelyforeigner said:

Don't underestimate anxiety, the physical symptoms it causes are very real. You don't even have to "feel" anxious, my anxiety is almost always physical and my mind can feel calm so I tend to not be aware of it until it becomes severe.  It could be that your muscles are constantly tense thus causing the grating sounds and clicking. I've had grating sounds before after an episode of acute anxiety, it usually goes away after a couple of days though. Obviously it's just a guess but I'd really try some benzos to see if that's the issue before even considering surgery. 

I agreed with Lonely. I used to feel my jaw breaking and hurting, I couldnt move my head and neck without feeling hurt. It was caused by anxiety and/or frustration. Many physical pain issues not discovered by doctors are related to anxiety and anguish which triggers depression. 

Nowadays they call it fibromyalgia when it is in the body. Not yet many studies were done but I think is related to depression in many ways.

I hope Gaj123 is filling better.

Best wishes

Flavio

 

 

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On 11/7/2017 at 5:45 PM, lonelyforeigner said:

What makes you think that something is physically wrong with your joints? Don't recall where but I read that clenching your jaws can cause grinding noise because it forces the natural lubricants out of your joint. A night guard would not prevent clenching, it'll just make sure that you're not damaging your teeth in the process. 

Going to the dentist certainly isn't a bad idea but if I were you I'd still investigate anxiety as a culprit as well. Even if there's some damage that requires surgery simply getting your anxiety under control would likely lessen the symptoms you have now.  

Because I can physically feel an issue going on. When I open my mouth a certain way it's like on my right side I get this sharp type of pain around my ear. Something inside along my jawline or something is messed up. I just don't know what the issue is though. I have so many different odd symptoms & everyone always thinks it's all in my head when I know for sure it's not. I don't know what to do anymore but it's definitely affecting my quality of life. I thought it had something to do with the ear itself but I went to 2 ENTs in the past & they couldn't find anything wrong. The one said whatever it is should go away on it's own but it never has. If doctors don't know what's wrong they either think it's in your head or just give some forced answer so they think they're doing their jobs. They can't admit as doctors that they don't know what's wrong with you because it hurts their egos too much not being able to admit they can't find out what the problem is. 

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On 11/7/2017 at 6:32 PM, sober4life said:

I used to have the same exact issues you had.  My issue went away.  I think it was anxiety for me.  That put together with the fact that my teeth were starting to fall out because of gum disease.  I had to overcompensate when I chewed anything and it screwed up my jaw big time.  It absolutely could be anxiety causing everything because you are so fed up with your situation that I can imagine your anxiety level being at a constant 10 like it was for me.

That's good that your issue went away. I've been dealing with this for years now & it just never goes away. I don't know what to do anymore. I just wish I knew what the precise problem was so I can get it fixed whether I need some sort of surgery or some special type of night guard made or something. I just don't want to be worrying about this anymore. 

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On 11/7/2017 at 7:41 PM, uncertain1 said:

I am sorry for your suffering. Another dentist sounds smart. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to get a referral to an oral surgeon. Per one site "Oral surgeons (also known as maxillofacial surgeons) specialize in ...jaw joint disorders, facial pain and surgery". I had to see one after a root canal gone bad - days in critical care. But the oral surgeon took good care of me.  

Do you think some muscle relaxants and pain meds might help?     At least short term.   

(Just to chime in with the rest - I too clench my jaws, with the dental work to show for it.And that's even with  benzos.  But I agree that meds can be very helpful. Keep hearing medical garden shrub is helpful. I'm disappointed about the mouth guards not being helpful )

I already saw 2 oral surgeons & of course they couldn't find out what's wrong either. I think I have some rare disease or something I don't know. It's definitely not anxiety itself causing my symptoms though. 

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On 11/7/2017 at 10:13 PM, flavio vaccarella said:

I agreed with Lonely. I used to feel my jaw breaking and hurting, I couldnt move my head and neck without feeling hurt. It was caused by anxiety and/or frustration. Many physical pain issues not discovered by doctors are related to anxiety and anguish which triggers depression. 

Nowadays they call it fibromyalgia when it is in the body. Not yet many studies were done but I think is related to depression in many ways.

I hope Gaj123 is filling better.

Best wishes

Flavio

 

 

Thanks. But unfortunately I'm not really doing better. I just really want to get to the bottom of this now. It's just extremely frustrating having to keep living life with all these issues. 

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On 8/11/2017 at 11:17 PM, GAJ123 said:

Thanks. But unfortunately I'm not really doing better. I just really want to get to the bottom of this now. It's just extremely frustrating having to keep living life with all these issues. 

I wish you the best Gaj123. I dont know if that is related but many years ago actor Burt Reynolds was suffering from something like that. He had all his tooth removed and doctors implanted new ones. He said he was better than ever.

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On 11/11/2017 at 3:08 PM, flavio vaccarella said:

I wish you the best Gaj123. I dont know if that is related but many years ago actor Burt Reynolds was suffering from something like that. He had all his tooth removed and doctors implanted new ones. He said he was better than ever.

In a bit of an update I've scheduled an appointment on the 30th of this month with a new dentist but I'm not expecting much at this point. I'll bring up my issue about this stuff but I already know he's going to think I'm crazy if I tell him all the doctors I've been to about this. I've just been having a bit of low energy & not feeling great these days at all. Just feel really lost. I have almost no motivation for anything anymore. 

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8 hours ago, lonelyforeigner said:

What did they say?

They said that I should see someone that specificially specializes in TMJ. He told me of someone he knows just they don’t cover my insurance to see him & I’d be spending quite a bit of money. I just don’t know anymore. I kinda just want to give up at this point. I have no life anymore. I don’t know what’s the point to keep living if I’m never even going to feel right. I don’t want to keep doing this anymore. 

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3 hours ago, GAJ123 said:

I’d be spending quite a bit of money. I just don’t know anymore.

Dude! You keep saying how TMJ is one of the main reasons why you can't work full time or do much else to improve your life so this should be a no-brainer... Sure it sucks to pay out of pocket but it's well worth it if there's a chance that they can help you. Since you're 100% convinced that there is something physically wrong a specialist should be able to find the underlying problem.

I'm a bit puzzled by your reluctance, is it really because you don't to touch your savings? Why is it such a big deal? It's not like you're planing on moving out or anything. Not saying to just spend your savings foolishly but if there's something you can do to improve your situation then do it. 

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6 minutes ago, lonelyforeigner said:

Dude! You keep saying how TMJ is one of the main reasons why you can't work full time or do much else to improve your life so this should be a no-brainer... Sure it sucks to pay out of pocket but it's well worth it if there's a chance that they can help you. Since you're 100% convinced that there is something physically wrong a specialist should be able to find the underlying problem.

I'm a bit puzzled by your reluctance, is it really because you don't to touch your savings? Why is it such a big deal? It's not like you're planing on moving out or anything. Not saying to just spend your savings foolishly but if there's something you can do to improve your situation then do it. 

True, I'm just losing my will to live at this point though. I'm just beyond tired of everything. It's like I feel if I go see this other doctor it'll be the same thing where they won't be able to help me. Nothing outside of having normal health is going to make me  enjoy anything. I can make a lot more money at another job & I'd still be feeling horrible everyday. I wanted to look into school again today but had no motivation & have felt a bit sick today besides. I don't know what I'm striving for really at this point. My life is basically ruined. 

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It's perfectly understandable that you feel this way but you can't let this stop you from trying. You may never have a perfect life but if you can improve your quality of life to a point of having a job that allows you some independence and having enough self-esteem to date you would be much better off than you are today even if not everything is perfect. Millions of people with chronic health issues still manage to lead a worthwhile life so there's no reason you can't, it's just your depression telling you that you'll never be happy. Let's say you see a specialist and they can help you get your TMJ under control, you may still not be 100% healthy but what if you could reduce the pain by 75%, would that not be worth it? 

Remember, self-improvement is a gradual process. Sure it would be nice if you could just wake up one day and have everything solved at once but that's not going to happen so you'll have to start with small steps, whether it be seeing a specialist or applying for college. The only thing that will guarantee that nothing will change for the better is sitting at home doing nothing. You'll be in your 40s saying "see, I knew nothing would get better!" when in fact you made it happen by not taking action. The way I see it there are 3 things you should do that will pay off in the long run:

  • See a therapist to get over your learned helplessness and improve your self-esteem
  • See a specialist about your TMJ
  • Sign up for college so that you'll be able to get a decent job some years from now

What do you have to lose? 

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5 hours ago, lonelyforeigner said:

It's perfectly understandable that you feel this way but you can't let this stop you from trying. You may never have a perfect life but if you can improve your quality of life to a point of having a job that allows you some independence and having enough self-esteem to date you would be much better off than you are today even if not everything is perfect. Millions of people with chronic health issues still manage to lead a worthwhile life so there's no reason you can't, it's just your depression telling you that you'll never be happy. Let's say you see a specialist and they can help you get your TMJ under control, you may still not be 100% healthy but what if you could reduce the pain by 75%, would that not be worth it? 

Remember, self-improvement is a gradual process. Sure it would be nice if you could just wake up one day and have everything solved at once but that's not going to happen so you'll have to start with small steps, whether it be seeing a specialist or applying for college. The only thing that will guarantee that nothing will change for the better is sitting at home doing nothing. You'll be in your 40s saying "see, I knew nothing would get better!" when in fact you made it happen by not taking action. The way I see it there are 3 things you should do that will pay off in the long run:

  • See a therapist to get over your learned helplessness and improve your self-esteem
  • See a specialist about your TMJ
  • Sign up for college so that you'll be able to get a decent job some years from now

What do you have to lose? 

I suppose just I'm lacking motivation since my mind is constantly occupied with how I'm feeling mentally as well as all my other issues. It's like I'm a prisoner in my own existence. I never am at peace. I just don't want to wind up being a 40 year old virgin with being forced to work multiple jobs as I'm older though. I sometimes feel life isn't for me. I've never been good at anything that would result in any sort of career opportunity so I knew since I was a kid that I was going to struggle as I got older but I didn't think my life would be this bad. This is just a complete nightmare on how my life turned out. 

I had to reschedule & will be going back next Friday to get some cavities filled in. And I'll ask him about that TMJ doctor again because like an ***** I didn't even write his name down. I just know what town he's in but I don't know the doctor's name since I believe he's in a university. The thing that's even worse is that I don't even know if it's actually TMJ that I have & not something completely different since I don't really get much pain just occasionally. Just I get all these other bizarre symptoms like burning in my head & ears like a nerve is affected by it. It's almost like I literally feel empty in my mind since this issue happened. I thought it was something to do with the brain itself but I had an MRI done early last year and the neurologist said everything was normal on my brain MRI. I've been at a loss ever since that day since I was almost sure I had some sort of brain damage due to all these symptoms. I'm just losing the fight to keep going on at this point though. I'm trying hard to keep going but some days I just want to give in & end it. 

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