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euthyphro

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  • Birthday 12/05/1983

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    my motto: read, write, surf, study, repeat.<br />I love surfing, snowboarding, cycling, and hiking. Talking movies and arguing politics. Eating spicy food and drinking quality beer. Laughing, grunting, and yawning.

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  1. I hope you had a fantastic day :)

  2. I hope you have a fantastic day :)

  3. i went to the ocean tonight. i stood at the shore where the breaking waves could barely reach, and i spoke to it. oh ocean, you were here before, and you'll be here after. i'm little more than another speck of sand. by the eons you've been here before me, and by the eons you'll see after i die, i amount to so very little. yet i'm ******* you. you've harbored life from the beginning. you've carried us all along. so many species, over so great a time, i can't even begin to imagine. yet i'm ******* you. every time i drive my car, turn on a blender, or smoke a cigarette, i contribute to the death of the the life you've borne. i'll even **** myself in time. but you'll be here after. amazing that so little a thing as me can destroy the work of something so great as you. oh ocean. you were here before, and you'll be here after. then, in a sudden fit of despair, i said, "i live only for the fear of death." i said it again. and again. and i started shouting it, chanting it. it became a mantra that i couldn't expel from my lungs. i live only for the fear of death. i realize that i honestly and without remorse wish i never lived. i never asked to live. in never volunteered for the misery of life, for the heartache and responsibility. but i was born. i came of age, and now so much is expected of me, yet none of it was my choice. i was born into servitude, and little compensation have i seen. how can we ask so much of each other, demand so much of one another, and never even offer the choice. those who live but do not work are punished, those who live and work are punished still but with a pat on the back and a week vacation. is that all there is? is there nothing more? i'm tired of asking for a reason. the only answer i get is the demand that i stop asking questions. when i stop asking i might as well be dead. questions are never rewarded. so i might as well die. but i'm too scared. i live only for the fear of death...
  4. these kinds of existential questions plague me too, and i'm sure my depression stilts my answers. what louisenicole just said is true, we're capable of as much good as bad, and the fact that we're asking the question in the first place is a very good sign. the more ppl to ask the question, the sooner we'll find the answer. the trick is balance, we can't ignore the woes of the world, but we can't delude ourselves either. it always seems like violence and depravity are ever increasing, but in fact it's always been decreasing. only our awareness is increasing. a few hundred years ago no one gave a thought to genocide or famine in countries on the other side of the globe. now we're adopting a global consciousness and having trouble coping with what we see. but we will. and as for the great american decline, sure we've gone empire and just like every empire before us we're headed for the toilet. but the world IS gettting better. there will be life after america, and it will be better!
  5. well put duggie. i look forward to resumeing this in a few days. right now i'm off for the weekend and probably wont see a computer till tuesday. have a great weekend all
  6. sorry i have to play devils advocate, no pun intended, but i cant resist. sorry admins if we've strayed. duggie, feel free to crack the whip on us. firstly, i know all about intelligent design, and as far as i can tell, it's creationism with a different name. whatever you call it, and regardless if it's true, it's fundamentally the same argument. it denies that darwinian evolution is possible on the basis that only god could design life so complex. there was an experiment done in 1950 that tried to reenact the origin of life with limited success. they recreated the atmospheric conditions of primordial earth, back when most of the oxygen was still trapped in ice and lightning ravaged the seas. they filled a beaker with high salinity saltwater, low oxygen, and zapped it repeatedly with electricity. when they examined the results, they found organic compounds - amino acids - that are the building blocks of all life. the compounds were inanimate, but their experiment proved that the necessary materials for life to grow were easily created in ancient weather conditions. this doesn't disprove creation, obviously, because they couldn't create life, just the raw materials. maybe under the right lab conditions they'll someday get those compounds to wake up. or maybe god is necessary to fill us with that divine "spark" that iowa mentioned. but the logic i use, and can't ignore, stems from reverse causality. i don't believe the the world was designed to fit animals. instead, animals designed themselves to fit the world. you have to accept evolution to accept that statement, so i know i'm going to lose you guys who don't. but if evolution is true, it explains a lot. if life emerge with the complexity it now exhibits, that would be far fetched, but the first forms of life were very simple, and the complexity we see today is a result of billions of years of baby steps. i don't find that hard to believe at all. and i dont have any trouble believing in god as well.
  7. bryce, yeah, i've hit some bumps with the forum rules too. but they have a clear mission here at DF to help ease pain and anxiety, and debates often do the opposite. so we have to respect that, has hard as it is to bite our lips. i will say though that theories are based on facts, they are the attempted explanation to facts we don't understand. and theories are incredibly powerful tools. the theory of gravity, and the rules we tried to apply to it, has proven very difficult to nail down. (turns out we can't find 90% of the matter in the universe - according to our models of how gravity should work.) so yeah, theories are incomplete, but they're still useful for building things like airplanes and vaccines, and maybe someday understanding spirituality. in regards to accuracy of scriptures, i've heard a surprising argument for the reliability of oral traditions verses written ones. before paper, people had to remember everything and spent a great deal of time training their memories, infinitely more so than people today (thanks to the ease of cell phones i don't even know my mothers phone number!). in the buddhist tradition, monks had to memorize passages (passages that would be hundreds of pages long if written down) forwards and backwards. and they were rigorously tested for accuracy again and again throughout their lives in order to preserve their sacred teachings. ultimately, i think if god created us then he knows how flawed we are, and he knows how far his teachings might be corrupted. its hard to ignore how often religion has been misused, throughout history. i think religion is a tool for reaching god, but not the only tool, and for some not the best tool.
  8. i think this is common for depressives in general. when i get depressed i completely shut down socially. my roomates think i hate them because suddenly i'm such a recluse. and i know i've lost friends to depression simply out of neglect. so it's important to keep up relations, even if it's just a friendly phone call. i ave to force myself to answer the phone even when i'm hating the world and everyone in it, because i know from experience that when the clouds part again i'm going to miss the friends i lost. as for frequency of cycles, i don't know if i'm bipolar, i was diagnosed as such when i was 13, but i'm not sure it was or still is accurate. i do know i go most of the year very happy, with one or two depressions that last days to weeks. as i've gotten older it seems like i get depressed less often, but when i do it's much worse and lasts longer.
  9. hey guys, thanks for the support, it means a lot. and sorry for not responding to my own thread, i kinda forgot about it. guess thats my problem, i keep putting this issue out of my mind. unfortunately, i missed the window to get free counseling. i dropped out of school (temporarily, i hope), and now i'm without any kind of insurance. time for the job hunt to begin, hopefully one with benefits.
  10. i love to hear such BIG questions asked! i wish my spiritual experiences were as strong as yours bryce. but no amount of study or worship has ever gotten me close. ps. i certainly don't want to spur the evolution/creation debate, by any means. i just want to clarify one incy little detail: whether darwin was a genius or a fool, he was never an atheist, and always believed that god was the origin of life, and there's much more to theory than assumptions and faith, there's evidence. what we conclude from that evidence is where things get sticky!
  11. lol, thanks for calling me out as a surfer/boarder. i definitely feel the presence of something greater than myself when i float out there waiting for my next wave. it's the animism of old, the same sensation that i'm sure spurred religion in the first place. and i think you're right dusty, if god had a 'religion' i'm sure it would be buddhism, because buddhahood is a step above normal godhood (in the context of polytheism), so god must be striving for absolute peace as well. that's actually very comforting to me. we are truly blessed to have come so far, and yet we have so far to go. more reason to want to believe in reincarnation, i dont think one lifetime is nearly enough. :) (MF, maybe we should start a parallel thread for our debate, or is it worth having?)
  12. i think it's healthy to push ourselves into uncomfortable situations (sometimes). it's like growing pains, or sore muscles during a workout. the pain means you're stretching boundaries, and getting stronger.
  13. i know what you mean. most of my friends i met through friends, and i sometimes i feel like i must be this total leech, like i can't make friends of my own, i have to borrow other peoples' friends. but really, that's what everyone does to some extent. i doubt it's as common for people to make friends randomly. few people are quick to let their guard down to strangers, but if you're introduced to someone via a mutual friend, it's like you've been vouched for. and you already have something in common, your mutual friend. it doesn't always lead to friendships, but that's just because not everyone is going to vibe with everyone else. i think it's important to let friendships happen on their own, not to pressure yourself to make friends with everyone you can. i'm friendly with everyone i meet, but certainly not friends with them all. and in a few cases, i've become better friends with the new friend than he and the old one were. the same has happend to me where i introduced two people and they built a stronger bond than i had with either of them. that's just the way it goes. feel better and know you have friends here, even ones you haven't met.
  14. you're absolutely not alone. i think everyone feels this way from time to time. what kills me most is the blank page. i just stare into that white abyss forever. but once i have a start i usually cant stop. if you've read any of my posts, you probably haven't finished them, they're so long! here's a great quote, "writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank sheet of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead." -Gene Fowler one of my writing teachers always argued for what she called "s***ty first drafts." the idea is that you have to write something, even if it's total bs, even if it's incomprehensible, just write anything. then go back later to revise, and make it make sense. putting thoughts to paper is like translating from one language to another, and it's not always easy. shouldn't be.
  15. an atheistic god. lol choco! was is plato that argued god created us by accident, and probably isn't even aware of what he did? this is my point. we don't have God's phone number. all we have are the scriptures, and our experiences. the scriptures are what have been handed down by generations of humans. and if my experience has taught me anything, it's that humans are flawed. that's kind of what makes us human. so when a human being hands me a book and says, this is the incorruptible word of god, i have a duty to myself to ask, how do you know it's perfect? the answer is of course faith. faith in the accuracy of the people who've been copying and recopying the book for thousands of years, or faith in god that he wouldn't allow the book to be corrupted. if my only evidence that god would protect the scriptures comes from the scriptures, then the argument is cyclical, and my faith has no where to turn but in humans. and i have too much experience for that much trust in humanity. so where can my faith turn? to my own experiences of what works, and what doesn't. what feels right, what feels wrong. this is where you and i are going to disagree. :) i think feelings are all we have to go on, and i think we can feel the truth when we hear it. when someone preaches compassion, no matter where they get their information, i can feel the authenticity of their words. i don't want my struggle with religions to negatively affect the faith of others, so please, please, take my words with a grain of salt ;) i am but a fool in a world too great to understand. if anyone has the inclination, i would recommend a book by karen armstrong, called "a history of god". she's a brilliant scholar who talks about the evolution of religion from animistic spirituality to institutionalized monotheism, how we came to conceptualize the god of abraham as we know Him today. the book is a little dense though, not a bathroom read. also, for a laugh, go youtube "rowan atkinson in hell" very funny! there's a line where mr bean, as satan, is welcoming ppl into hell and putting them into groups and says to the atheists, "well, you all must be feeling a right bunch nitwits!"
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