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  1. My wife suffers from schitzoaffective disorder and has been taking 150mg of Invega long acting injection for a month now. Talking with her pdoc last week, we talked about introducing an adjunct medication if the new dosage (she was at 100mg for about 5 months) proved ineffective. My wife suggested Effexor, as it was a med she had taken in the past. While her pdoc stated that it wouldn't help, he also stated that it wouldn't hurt and that he was willing to give it a shot. Does anyone else have any experience with both Effexor and Invega? If so, was it effective? Anything I should be worried about?
  2. The game is available both online and in paper. If you're looking for it, you can typically find it at comic book or sports card shops (usually they're one and the same). I do warn you, it's a HUGE money sink, especially if you want to be competitive. A typical deck runs anywhere from $200 to $1000 to build. However, I use it as a way to ensure that I get out of the house and be social, so I look at it as therapy ;)
  3. I play a card game called Magic: The Gathering. It's fantasy based, and a huge money sink, but it forces me out of bed to interact with people. Other than that, I read. It's not much, but it's something that just helps me occupy my time
  4. I remember taking a class on empathy (Who knew you could teach it!) through work, and we learned that this is one of the worst things to say because it takes a specific experience away from a person. However, I think we've been taught to try to relate to people and how they feel, and as such we over use "I know how you feel". I know I find it frustrating. What I try to say is, "I've had similar experiences", "I can see how you would feel that way", or "I understand what you are going through", to recognize how a person is feeling without taking those feelings away from them
  5. I've been playing a lot of Magic: The Gathering Online lately. I play the paper version of the game, but I've been playing the online version in order to prepare for a large tournament this past weekend. That will taper off over the next little bit. I did buy GTA V today, so that will be my obsession for the next little bit
  6. In general, you'll experience some side effects when you start the medication. I'm not familiar with anyone feeling "high", but it would be something that I would watch out for. The dizziness, however, is a known side effect and should be monitored. At the end of the day, you have to be comfortable with what the medication will do to your body, both good and bad.
  7. So I can't remember how long it lasted when I started on Celexa, but I recently came off for about 4 days (somehow I ran out before my next prescription was due, and my insurance wouldn't pay for it unless I waited) and the jaw clenching and ache came back. It lasted about 3 weeks. Honestly, the side effects suck when you start. They suck because these are pills that are supposed to help you but the side effects outweigh the benefits at first. The jaw clenching, insomnia, tremors, etc etc. However, they go away. What stays are the benefits you get from the medication, which is a mood boost that helps you function on a day to day basis. My opinion (which, along with $2, can buy you a coffee ;) ), keep on the meds, track your side effects, and keep your doctor informed. At the end of the day you have to be comfortable with how the medication is treating your body and mind, so if the side effects continue to outweigh the benefits then you should be looking at something else to help you out. However, remember that the true benefits of the medication come 6-8 weeks after you start. You may see some immediate benefits, but it does take time to kick in. Hang in there. DF is a great resource to bounce things off of people. But remember, we're no replacement for medical professionals, so when it comes to medication (type and dosage), don't do anything without talking to your doctor about it
  8. I think most people here will tell you the same thing. Typically you don't feel the maximum effect of the medication for 6-8 weeks. Sometimes people feel an immediate bump up in the way they feel, sometimes not. Sometimes people have side effects, sometimes not. From my experience, when I started I had an immediate bump up, had jaw aches and muscle twitches. Then things kinda plateaued, then after about a month they got better. More recently, I stopped drinking because it was becoming a problem. It really was interfering with my Celexa, and for the first two weeks after I stopped drinking I was a mess. It wasn't alcohol withdrawal, I was legit depressed. But, as I allowed the Celexa to work I ended up feeling better, and now I'm in a good place. My advice, 5 days is way too short to make any decision. Unless the side effects are unbearable, give the medication some time to work
  9. I'd like to understand what you meant by "treatment resistant" depression. Have you tried anti-depressants, and if so which ones and what dosage? Who was following you, a family doctor or psychiatrist? Are you getting counselling, either for yourself or for the both of you? What about your husband? Same questions, different person. From the sounds of things, this is one of those negative loop scenarios IMHO; you suffer from depression, which probably doesn't do anything for your husband's anxiety, which then in turn makes your depression even worse. I've been in that scenario with my wife and her schitzoaffective disorder. It's a tough cycle to break. At the end of the day, making decisions around your marriage, in your state of mind, is probably not the best course of action. I would suggest medication and therapy, under the care of a psychiatrist, which should help the depression. I would hope that your husband would do the same. When the heads are clearer, when the depression is less intense, then it would be a better time to reevaluate your marriage.
  10. I'm on Celexa and sometimes I have problems with memory, but I'm just chalking it up to old age :) Honestly, at 2 weeks I would think that it's more related to your depression (since depression does mess with your memory) than the meds. If we were talking 2 months, when the meds were at steady state, then perhaps, but at 2 weeks I would tend to lean more towards depression as the cause. Good luck on your exams! You'll do great!
  11. Sorry, I'm throwing stuff out there and I feel like I'm not doing anything that helps :( So here's what I've gathered: your husband's depression was triggered by tragedy. He's been like this now for 9-10 months, and he's refusing any form of help. It's having an effect on him, yourself, your marriage and his work. He doesn't do anything around the house, he is verbally abusive towards you, and you're at your breaking point. He refuses to take medication because he doesn't want to be labelled, he doesn't want to do therapy because he doesn't think it works. You want to help him, but at the same time you want to protect yourself and your daughter. You want to try to do both, but he's basically emotionally blackmailed you into staying. What IS he doing to help himself? Seriously, is he even suggesting anything, or does he even recognize that he's sick? One thing that I thought about was a change in perspective. If you look at the trigger, it screams bereavement. I know, it sounds obvious, but it sounds like he's having SERIOUS difficulties dealing with the death of his father and the circumstances around it. So if we don't "label" it as depression, but instead as helping him deal with the death of his father, maybe he'll be more open to therapy and meds. It's something that would help him deal with this tragedy, it's not NECESSARILY required for the rest of his life. One thing that REALLY worries me is his reaction to your self preservation, basically blackmailing you by saying he'll take his life if you leave. That is his depression talking, and that's the scariest thing. It puts you in a really bad position because you never know if he really means it or if he's bluffing, and you really don't want to find out. That being said, it's also scary because it shows he's already thinking it and if things get worse it may become a reality regardless if you leave or not. The bright side is that this may be the opportunity for him to get the help he needs. If you've got a husband who is talking about suicide, and you think he will do it, you may be able to get him hospitalized. It's drastic, and there's a potential that it blows your marriage apart, but if it's something that gets him help and gives you some relief then it might be worth investigating. I really wish I could give you something that was helpful, something that would help you avoid the hell that I went through with my wife, but I don't know what to tell you. I really hope the best for you, but at the end of the day you have to think about how to preserve yourself.
  12. I know the side effects of Celexa can be pretty rough at the beginning; I had teeth clenching, I was more tired than usual, muscle twitches when I was relaxed, etc. Once i hit steady state (4-6 weeks after I started), a lot of the side effects went away (except for the muscle twitches). This also coincided with the medication starting to work. I wouldn't recommend tapering off without engaging your doctor first. He or she may be able to give you something to mitigate the side effects. Further, engaging them gives them an opportunity to understand what is going on and maybe find something that is better for you.
  13. I can completely empathize with you here. The answer seems so simple, the execution is so hard. My wife is a closer parallel to your situation than I am. Despite everyone around her knowing that things were getting worse, she refused to take her medication. She said that she didn't need it, refused to accept anything was wrong, and ultimately needed hospitalization before she started back on her treatment. She's tried therapy in the past, both psychological and psychiatric, but she bounces from doctor to doctor as a direct result of her illness; either the doctor "fires" her, or she finds one who agrees ends up doing more harm. I've gone done the route of ultimatums and they're counterproductive. Either the other person doesn't really care (because they're not in the right state of mind to care) or you end up not following through. I agree with the previous poster, in that you may need to take a more active role in his care, perhaps going to his therapy with him. I took my wife to every appointment to make sure she went. I didn't even go in to 95% of the appointments, but taking her to them made sure she went. I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry. This is tough, especially since this is the person you love and you chose to spend the rest of you life with. I implore you not to leave and not to give him an ultimatum.
  14. A couple of questions 1) Why does your husband not want to try the anti-depressants? 2) What were his reasons for not going to counselling? Is this with the specialist that he was referred to by his work? Honestly, if I was in your husband's shoes I would look at a decision for you to move in with your family as abandonment. I'm NOT saying that this is your intention, I can understand what your intention is (self preservation), but from his point of view it's different. This is probably where he's coming from when he gives you his ultimatum. The one thing I forgot to mention to you is that self preservation is extremely important. Not only do you have a small child to care for, you have to care for yourself so you don't get sucked into your own depression. I can appreciate that it may be hard to find the time when you have a 3 month old, but you need to be able to find the time to take care of yourself. If moving in with your family is a solution you're thinking of, is it possible that your family can come to you? Maybe coming to the house and helping you out even a day a week could give you the chance you need to manage your own feelings and struggles. Anyways, just some random thoughts I have, having gone through this on both sides of the equation.
  15. ClapYourHands, Welcome to DF. I can understand that your husband's depression is causing a great deal of stress on your marriage. I know that my depression did. I can imagine that my mood swings, my lack of energy, my outbursts, etc were not easy on my wife. As a spouse, you feel an obligation to help your partner but it's hard to help when you are being worn down by their illness. I hope this helps 1) Remember that this is your spouse's illness, not your spouse. It's really hard to separate the two, I understand. However, if you can understand that this is an illness that is changing how your loved one is thinking, then it does help you manage how you feel; you stop being angry at your spouse and begin being angry at their illness. Believe me, it doesn't sound like much, but it's a huge perspective change 2) Your spouse HAS to get help. It sounds like he has experienced a tremendous tragedy in his life and he is having an extremely difficult time coping with it. He does need to seek help, and he needs to seek it ASAP. He needs to seek it for himself, for you, for your daughter, and for your marriage. The first place to go would be his family doctor. From there, they can recommend a psychiatrist or psychologist. They may prescribe an anti-depressant, and I would suspect that he would benefit from one, but he needs professional help to sort through these issues with him. I'm rooting for you and your husband. I suffer from depression and my wife suffers from schitzoaffective disorder, so I've been on both sides of the equation. I was so close to ending my marriage because I was having a difficult time dealing with my wife's illness (she came off her meds and was psychotic and hospitalized). I got deeply depressed and that was affecting her, and in turn making her worse. The turning point was when I decided to take control of my illness and did the things that I needed to get better. I was able to better manage myself, and in turn I was able to differentiate my wife from her illness. When I did that, I was better able to manage her, and our relationship improved.
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