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Stan Islavski

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  1. 4 hours ago, ladysmurf said:

    You see their face as perfect, but what about the rest of their body? or character?

    I couldn’t agree more. You are putting yourself on the same level as everyone else. You are only looking at their appearance and believing they have a perfect life.

    This is not to downplay the struggles you encounter due to your physical appearance. But you are doing what others are doing to you - judging them by their appearance.

    I know plenty of people with a “perfect” appearance that are ungodly miserable people. No compassion. No empathy. All their relationships are superficial. And I wouldn’t bother spending a single moment with them.

    Don't let yourself fall victim to the same patterns that have victimized you.

  2. I won’t deny any of your claims against this world. It is judgemental and unjust. I have no idea how you feel. I can try to empathize, but would fall far short. I can try to sympathize, but that doesn’t offer you a whole lot of condolence. I have been rejected due to some aspect of my physical appearance, but I won’t pretend to understand your plight.


    What I can say is this: I learned a long time ago that (for some people) happiness comes in little moments. I am constantly tortured by depression and anxiety. And those moments of peace are sometimes worth the anguish.


    Beyond that, I would also like to recall a recent event. A few weeks ago my 8 year old son and I were at a festival. We stopped at a lemonade stand. One of the workers had (what I assume is) a birth defect. My son asked me why he had the face of a monkey. I sat him down and told him this: “You know how everyone looks different, right? He just looks more different than most. But deep down he is the same as us. We are all just trying to find our way in life. And don’t forget that.”


    My son listened, but pressed on about how/why this person looked so different. I said, “maybe he was in a car accident. Or maybe he fell off a swing and got hurt as a child.” Like I said, I assumed by the looks it was a birth defect, but regardless I wasn’t sure how I could explain to an 8 year old all the variables that could cause a birth defect. Then it hit me - the reasoning was irrelevant. So I said, “it could also be a birth defect.” He had no clue what that meant. And I was relieved because that meant that I had the opportunity to teach him what it means to me (not what it means to the rest of the world).


    I said, “birth defect is how some people describe something on a baby that is really different. Maybe they were born without a foot. Or maybe their ears are really crooked. But I want you to know right now and never forget, it is NOT a defect. It is just different. And that they are the same as you, me, and everyone else. Just trying to find our way in life.”


    To to be honest, I want to tell him that they suffer a lot more than others. But I think that’s a conversation for when he’s a little older and has a deeper ability for and understanding of empathy.


    I know that this will likely never give you anything tangible that can help you get ahead in life. This world is an ungodly $hi++y place with even worse people. But what I told my son I believe 100%. And I absolutely believe it is the correct message. And I hope that the opportunity I had that day will eternally cement in his head that the words “defect” in the context of a person’s appearance are harmful, mean, evil, and most importantly hurtful. And also that it in no way indicates a person’s ability to be just like him.


    I am not the best dad. Probably not even in the top 20%. But I felt good about having that opportunity before someone else did. And I hope it gives you a little peace - maybe even just a tiny bit. And that we’re not all that ignorant. A small percentage, yes. But not all of us. And (hopefully) more importantly, that we are taking those golden opportunities to also pass that compassion for others into our kids.

  3. Why try? I wish I could answer that for myself. All of us here have asked that at one time or another. Many of us still do.

    I’d say there’s a different answer for everyone. And I think some of us have given up. Or have at some point. I know I’ve gone through periods when I have completely given up. It comes and goes with me.

    I really don’t know what has kept me going. At times my son, other times just too comfortable with sadness and afraid to be happy, maybe sometimes there was some glimmer of hope.

    I guess what it comes down to, is what matters to us at any given moment - no matter how dark that moment may be. Things like family are easy to quantify. But sometimes I would go to the used book store, thrift store, or rummage sales and just look through collections of books, CDs, or DVDs or whatever. I would always walk out with something that gave me a little enjoyment. And didn’t cost me nearly any money. And in those moments, just digging through old collections, was enough to matter for a couple hours.

    That was one thing that worked for me. It was a simple and very inexpensive activity that kept my mind away from dark thoughts for a couple hours. And since I always went home with a book or CD that I enjoyed, it helped keep my mind occupied even after I got home and read or listened to music.

    I know that’s more than you asked for. But there can be and there ARE moments of peace that can be had for all like us. Maybe I’ll never be completely happy. But I do enjoy those moments. Even if they are far and few between at times.

  4. On 7/12/2019 at 11:33 PM, Depressedgurl007 said:

    Hi Stan. I have felt what you are feeling and some days I still do. Just know you can tell us anything here. Ur very brave to post all your feelings and writing your heart out. I hope u feel a tiny bit better after getting those words out and clearing your thoughts. It’s ok to be wrong and foolish and make mistakes. You are a human and humans make mistakes, lotsa mistakes.

    And your heart is a container. If you fill it up with anger and hate and negativity, there is no space to fill it up with positive way of thinking. So let it all out. Keep posting. Depression is a painful thing, so don’t listen to those thoughts, you’re doing your best and that is enough. Keep swimming and keep searching for a way out ya. Take it one step at a time. We are here and we feel you. 

    Thanks. I don’t think it’s “brave” though. I think it’s chicken s**t. I can’t put an end to it, and I can’t fix it. So all I have left is to complain quasi-anonymously. If I was truly brave maybe I’d share with family or friends. But I don’t.. If I was truly brave I would continue to seek out a good counselor. But that has proven to be such a discouraging process that I can no longer bear it. If I was truly brave I would share with my wife. But putting the possibility of her dismissal in front of potential healing is weakness in its finest form.

    I like your analogy as our hearts as containers. I’ve always wondered why I lacked some basic human emotions such as love. That would certainly explain why.

  5. I used to know someone that found a lot of success having ECT.  But I don't know much about it, and so will side with mmd.  Please do some very careful and thorough research.

    Edit:  I do want to ask though, is this REALLY a last resort?  I am in no way downplaying your trials for the past year.  But 1 year and you are already thinking of a last resort?  I know nothing more than what you wrote here.  But my gut reaction is:  get a new therapist, and try different meds.

  6. My dad had depression and my mom had anxiety.  That's what I know for sure.  I can't say what other mental illnesses either of them had.

    They had 4 boys... all 4 have some type of depression AND anxiety.

    They also had 2 girls... both of which have some type of anxiety.  One is much worse than the other.  But they both have it.

    Is it genetic?  Or is it learned behavior?  I don't know.  Jury is out on that.  I don't always buy into the genetic thing.  But whether or not it is genetic, we are a product of our environment.

  7. I visit the forums here when I'm feeling s**tty, but usually just read through the posts and respond with (hopefully) some positive thoughts.  Lately though, I have nothing positive to say.  I've written many of these and never hit "submit".  But I'm going to submit it this time.  So I apologize in advance for such being such a downer.  This will likely be long.

    • For the past few weeks my mood is the worst it's been in almost 20 years.
    • I went off medication.  And my irritability has soared through the roof.  But, for better or worse, I also quit drinking alcohol.
    • I started a new job and the whole situation sucks.  I was at my last job for 6 years.  I gave blood sweat and tears to that company.  I was underpaid with the assumption that there was plenty of advancement opportunity.  Between cutting operating expenses and creating new revenue streams, the company benefited over $500,000 from my employment.  Year after year, my boss kept saying "management" is on the horizon.  I finally had enough of it, and my division did nothing to try and retain me.  Now I'm at a new company back at the bottom - doing s**t work that adds zero value.  And in my 20+ years of professional employment, I've never worked with a team that was so complacent with mediocrity.  I think that upsets me more than anything since I don't accept mediocrity very easily.
    • I'm in a sexless, discouraging marriage.  No emotional support whatsoever.  I've even been told my problems aren't important.  Funny too, that happened in my first marriage as well.
    • I'm angry, hateful, and resentful of everyone and everything.
    • My ideations of suicide, vengeance, and violent behavior are now constant and unstoppable.
    • I don't know what love is.  I'm not sure if I ever did, nor ever had the capacity for it.  My dad died when I was 16.  My mom died 5 years ago.  I don't know that I ever felt sad for either one.  To me, it is what it is.  People live and then they die.  I'm indifferent.  I think I just expect that people don't stick around very long.  That's how I feel about it.  And that bothers me.
    • I don't know if I believe in God.  I was raised as a Christian.  And if God does exist, I hate him for making me (and others that suffer the same as me).  And I hate him for all the evil in the world.
    • I think one of my biggest fears is if people don't want me around.  I've experienced abandonment in many forms since a very young age.  It remains the worst pain I've ever felt.  And it seems to keep happening to me quite frequently.
    • I can't forgive.  I hold horrible resentment for people that have "wronged" me.  Always have.  Instead of having the ability to work through it, it just keeps adding up.  As I get older, the pile of hatred and resentment just keeps getting bigger.  There is a lot of old stuff that is buried in there.  But none of it has lessened.
    • A few years ago I came to the realization that I am a terrible person in some ways.  I resent myself for things I have done, and can't forgive myself either.  Probably never will.
    • I can't graduate beyond suicidal thoughts.  I don't think I've ever given it a solid attempt.  I wish I could.  But I can't and never could.  Even if I wanted to I couldn't do it.  And that bothers me.  It's just extremely disheartening knowing that - if I ever wanted to end it - I wouldn't have the guts to go though with it.  Today I passed a police officer on the way home from work and thought of ways I could get him to shoot me.
    • People say they love me.  I don't believe it for a second.
    • I've seen probably more than a dozen counselors in my life.  Most of them were worthless.  One of them was OK.  I'd probably continue to see her.  But she moved her practice about an hour away.

    I'm so sick.  And I just can't get better.  Why?

    (that's rhetorical... please don't feel obligated to answer or respond)

  8. 14 hours ago, Oscar K said:

    Okay, Stan the man we get message.

    Now is the time to declare a truce with yourself and maybe just maybe the rest of this crazy mixed up world.

    Let's all play some clever tricks on Old Man Depression.

    I have said it before and I'll say it again: Anchor yourself outside the deep, dark, dangerous, depression abyss.

    Don't despair : REPAIR.



    No. I don’t think I’ll be doing that this time.

    But thanks for the thought.

  9. I agree with holding ourselves accountable. Any person at any given age could have any level of emotional sensitivity. And since that sensitivity is the product of past experience, it is unfair to put the responsibility on them. ESPECIALLY a child.

    There is nothing shameful about acknowledging when we hurt someone’s feelings. They need to know that (no matter how absurd it might seem to us) their feelings are always valid. Only after they’ve been validated will they be open to possible correction.

    But when the emotions and feelings of a child, man, or woman are not validated there is no chance for rationalizing and modifying the reaction.

    Too many people get hung up on “why does that upset you? It wouldn’t upset me so it shouldn’t upset you. I don’t want to hear it. Just get over it.” They don’t want to hear it because they don’t have the capacity to understand it or empathize with it. I hate those people. I hate them for what they do to ‘us’. They are narcissistic sociopaths that have no place in any interpersonal relationship. At the risk of displaying my unchecked anger, I wish they would all die.

    I’m not a behavioral expert. But having lived in darkness for 30+ years I think I’ve enough experience to say that most (maybe all) of us are in this forum in part because our feelings were not validated at some in our lives.

    So as far as I’m concerned, you behaved correctly regarding the fork. F**k what anyone else thinks.

  10. This is just a ramble. No responses are required - but feel free to if you like. 🙂

    It’s very painful to feel tossed aside. And I’ve felt it many times by family, friends, and significant others. But it just occurred to me that my recent ex-employer also tossed me aside.

    It was a small company. A very tight-knit group. Lots of opportunities for growth and promotion. Until... the company was bought out.

    There was absolutely no consideration to many of the people that helped build the company into a profitable business. And the layers of management between myself and executives literally quadrupled. Again, with no consideration to offering me (or other key employees) a chance at promotion. So... I quit. And now I started a new job where I am once again the low man on the totem pole. At 45 years old, this situation is really causing my depression to show it’s ugly face.

    Don’t get me wrong. I know what I’m worth. I was at my old company for 6 years. And in the first 3 of those years I created over $500,000 in new revenue and operating reductions. To be abandoned and tossed aside like that is really difficult to handle. And starting over at 45 with no clear outlook of my future is equally difficult to swallow.

    I just want to say that the world can suck it! Lol and that makes me feel a little better. 🙂


  11. 18 hours ago, Kabuto said:

    Why do I blame myself?

    Because that’s what depression does to us. Depression is anger turned inward.

    Brace yourself... this will not be the last time you miss something important by a few days, or even a few hours. I cannot count the missed opportunities in my life. And that’s probably for the best. I have enough that I blame myself for. 😉 

    It sucks. My whole life is a s**t show. (I love that phrase lol) And I know we can all say the same. But somehow we keep plugging along. To me, that means that there is some kind of hope that something makes sense to us. And I think that’s a good thing. Even if we don’t know what that thing is.

  12. I get it.  I am an artist too.  I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm 45.  I remember when services like Go Fund Me and Patreon did not exist.  I remember when trying to reach an audience outside a very small geographical radius was near impossible; and to do so meant spending far more than 8% in marketing with absolutely no guarantees I would recoup that.  At least commission-based fees do not require a substantial up-front investment.

    Yeah, 3% is a lot to someone working their tails off to put food on the table and a roof over their head.  But sometimes, we just need to be grateful for the things we do have.

    Soooo... depressing... yes.  I do feel for ya.  I'm not trying to say you have no reason to get upset about it.  But for myself, I try to keep things like this in perspective.  By all means, get upset.  But then try to get past it and put your focus back on your work.



  13. On 3/26/2019 at 2:51 PM, BeyondWeary said:

    So I cut down on my high expectations and focus on doing one task at a time, taking one moment at a time.

    I cannot stress this enough.  Everything appears so distant and unattainable when we look at the bigger picture.  Break things down into smaller tasks.  It takes some practice... but holy crap does it make a world of difference.  Small successes add up and build confidence.  And before you know it, you will be minutes away from your larger goal.


    I went to class for which I was very underprepared though I tried to talk when I had something to add to the conversation, even though I probably sounded like an idiot. After class was over, I saw my advisor in the hallway, panicked and bolted before we could make eye contact because I haven't sent him the chapter plan I was supposed to more than a month ago because I haven't even started working on it. I ran home and cried and felt pathetic and miserable because I can't do anything right ... school is going poorly and my boyfriend won't even talk to me.

    OK... so... don't misinterpret this but, school serves a purpose and boyfriends (and girlfriends for that matter) can be fleeting.

    School is important?  Yes.  School makes or breaks your future?  Hell no.  School is what YOU make of it.  Period.  So make it work for you... the best way you know how.

    Boyfriend not treating you in a manner that is conducive to your mental health?  This is tough.  I'm 45 years old and, likely, the last person you want to hear this from.  But we tend to grasp onto things that are close to our ideal - even thought they fall short on a couple things.  This cycle only ends with you.  What's good enough for you?  That's the question.  Believe me.  I'm 45 and I still "settle" for things because I feel I'm not good enough.

  14. 5 hours ago, sad in grand Rapids said:

    I need to have a life and meaningful relationships and that's what i really want not drugs.

    All i think about is how much i want a romatice relationship because since i basically stoped using i can no longer run from the aching need i feel for intimacy. 

    I would like to stress that you are looking over the fence and you see that the grass is greener.  But what you don't see is all the hard work it took to make that grass so green.  Jumping over the fence in search for greener pastures is not the solution.  If you want greener pastures you need to take care of the grass under your own feet.  It takes blood sweat and tears to make a lush, green lawn.  And without the proper care, anyone's lawn can dry up and die overnight if it's not taken care of.



    i also like this lady at work and i think she might like me but am scared to ask her out.


    Living in the past is a funny thing.  You never know when you're doing it... until tomorrow.

    Don't repeat the same mistakes.  You're scared to ask her out.  But I bet there were lots of women you were scared to ask out... and now you'd say, "I should've just asked her out."

    I've always been scared to death of talking to women.  So I feel ya.  But one thing that helped me make big strides was a simple little mantra:

    "I've wasted the last 10 years because I was too scared.  In 10 more years, do I really want to say I wasted the last 20?"

    Finding your confidence is one of the hardest things for a guy to do.  Take baby steps.  Try different things to see what works for you.  That's what I did.  And I screwed up a lot too.  But the great thing is, friends forgive your screw ups.  Strangers... well... you never see them again anyway. :)


    In addition I'm so tired  and don't have any motivation. 

    Yeah... I don't think I have any good response to that.  This disease we deal with just sucks the life force out of us.  But it's like the lawn - it's an uphill battle every waking moment.  Sometimes the drudgery pays off in the end and makes it all worth it.

  15. Good question.  I suppose I drink. 😬

    I honestly don't know what to say because I know I don't handle those times well.  And those times have been more often than not with me lately.  I don't handle my self-hate well.  And I don't have a decent support system.  But I bet you do.  I doubt your hubby would be so helpful if he didn't love and support you.  We make big sacrifices for the ones we truly love.  I doubt your husband is any different.

  16. 1 hour ago, Ratvan said:

    Fair enough, interesting to see that some people can make other methods work

    Sorry. We’re not all as enlightened and judicious as you. Ironic since we’re in the depression forum. Kinda makes my feelings of worthlessness even more justified.

    I am quite astonished at the lack of compassion in some of these posts.

  17. 1 hour ago, Ratvan said:

    You know this is a common misconception with animals in general and especially with known aggressors. 

    @MaepleSyrupIf you punish, scold, yell at, squirt, blow on animals especially Cats and Dogs you make them fear you more and further reinforce their flight or fight reaction. Honestly, positive reinforcement is much more effective a training method.

    I have no misconceptions.  I understand exactly.  But most people don't.  That's why I clearly stated, "most people don't know how or don't WANT to deal with temperamental animals."

    The only misconception here is that some people delude themselves into thinking that they can control animals, or the animal will NEVER act aggressively, or the animal will never again feel threatened in any manner for the rest of its life.

    I'm not for putting down animals.  I love them.  And perhaps I don't know the full story with this particular cat.  I'm just going off what the OP wrote.  That's all I can do since that's all the information that was given to me.

  18. 1 hour ago, MaepleSyrup said:

    And I don't mean to upset you or anybody, but I despise kids more than anything. What you're saying at the end doesn't bother me- but if it helps you feel better, we rate our cats and dogs for ages. Our more difficult cats/dogs will either be high school aged or older, or maybe adult only. So the chances of someone with a kid adopting her or any other difficult cat/dog are very, very slim.

    Wow. OK.  You and your employer are obviously in control of the rest of the animals' lives.  You know for a fact that you place them with people that will never again see a person of any age that may display aggression toward the cat.

    Whatever that is you have there, you need to bottle it.  Because it's worth billions.  And as a bonus, just throw in that lack of compassion for children that you're carrying around.

  19. I know you probably don't want to hear this, but... tough love.

    You need to follow procedure and notify your supervisor.  First you said, "not the first time I've handled cats who had biting or "bipolar" issues... she bit me without warning." Then you said, "I don't want a cat to be euthanized for my doing."  If the cat has been on the bite procedure for a few days, how exactly is this an isolated incident that is caused by your behavior?

    I love cats to death. But truth is, animals can be temperamental same as people.  And most people don't know how or don't WANT to deal with temperamental animals.

    You don't want the cat to get euthanized and you're OK risking your health because of it.  Well, what happens when/if she bites someone else and they get infected?  What happens when a family comes in and adopts her, and she attacks someone in the family?  How about a 1 year old child that doesn't understand temperamental animals?  What if the child gets an infection?  What happens if the child's face is mauled?  What happens if some young kid - just wanting an animal to love - gets bit, scratched, and left with facial scars?  Are you willing to risk that?

  20. 42 minutes ago, Atra said:

    That's an example of habitually self-abusive, talking to yourself like you would your enemy. Is that someone else's that you've adopted? Is it as automatic as a cough or sneeze?

    I don't know where I got it from.  I've been good at beating myself up since I was a kid (I'm 45).  There have been times when it wasn't like that - when I had my depression under much better control (for lack of a better word).  Not always but sometimes. But lately I haven't been in the best of places.  Everything I do, everything people say, just reminds me how crappy a person I am.  Even if it's not intended that way at all.

    But my point was, I never beat up on myself to "discipline" myself.  I just do it because it's what I would think of anyone that was as worthless as I am.

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