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  1. This is just my personal story - not medical advice. I have been on anti-depressants for over 30 years. When the one I was on about 16 years ago quit working my psych. put me on 300 mg Bupropion XL; can't recall if he began with 150 mg or not. I was on it for close to 15 years. I was a "worrier" by nature but never experienced anxiety over nothing. Shortly after starting the Bupropion, I began waking up with "morning terrors" - body shaking & extreme fear. It took at least three hours for the anxiety to go away & I began calling out a lot from work due to that, causing me to go through my paid time off days VERY quickly. Told psych. He put me on 5 mg (!!!!!!!) of Clonazepam (brand name Klonopin) - a benzodiazepine without telling me anything about it except that it "would make me feel better." When I finally felt well enough to research clonazepam (usually did so before ANY new med) I read that (1) it was ONLY to be prescribed for "short term use" of no more than 2 weeks AND (2) it is EXTREMELY addictive. By the time I read that, my body was already addicted to it. I left his practice & the doctors I saw over the next few years were shocked that I had been on such a high dose and left on it. My current Dr. has me weaned down to 0.25 mg Clonazepam 2x/day as needed. We've tried to go lower but I start having withdrawal symptoms. If I go one day without that small dose, I also start having withdrawal symptoms. Due to the original psych. being out of town unexpectedly with no one to cover for him, I was without it for 2 weeks at one time and ended up in the ER. Current Dr. said weaning off benzos is more difficult than weaning off cocaine or heroin!!!! I'm on another forum that is specifically for people who are weaning off benzos and one has to literally shave a sliver off with a razor blade and stay at that level for months before moving down to another shaved off sliver. Current Dr. said due to my age (66) and the length of time I was on Clonazepam, it is too hard on my body to try to wean down further. Here's the really bad part of my story - the anxiety became so horrific (remember - I was only being treated for depression for 15ish years before being put on Bupropion and out of the blue I developed severe anxiety) that my former psych. recommended I go on disability. At age 55 I had to quit working & income/lifestyle changed drastically. Why I'm telling you all this is that I didn't know the Bupropion/Wellbutrin and Clonazepam/Klonopin connection until recently. Do a search on "Can Bupropion cause anxiety." One of the possible side effects listed for Bupropion is anxiety. There are multitudes of people reporting they never had severe anxiety until they were put on Bupropion. My opinion is not to go on Bupropion. There are newer anti-depressants with far fewer side effects. I recommend telling your Dr. you are concerned that Bupropion may cause anxiety and can he recommend another med. My current Dr. has me on Duloxetine/Cymbalta because it has a dual effect of helping body pains which I have but there are many other anti-depressants. I've had no issues/side effects from Duloxetine at all. OTOH, I'll be stuck on Clonazepam for the rest of my life.
  2. NOTE: I am not a medical professional. The following information is based on my personal experience and research. Hi Jaysuekay, I don't know how long you were on Wellbutrin but if you quit taking it cold turkey you are most likely going through withdrawal symptoms. I was on Wellbutrin SR 300 mg/day for over 20 years. About 10 years ago my Dr. had to go out of town on an emergency basis & office staff said no one was available to renew my script so I had no Wellbutrin and began feeling like I had a terrible flu. After a week I spoke with my pharmacist and asked if there was anything I could get OTC that would help. The pharmacist looked a bit alarmed and said if I had not experienced anything "worse" by now, I should be ok but cold turkey was a "rough way" to go off Wellbutrin. Three years ago I began going to an integrative Dr. and fired my former Dr. I was weaned down to Wellbutrin SR 150 mg/day. Also taking Zoloft as all my doctors (and my research) indicated that an SSRI needs to be taken with Wellbutrin to protect against possible seizures. Three months ago my Dr. weaned me off the 150 mg over a two week period. I stayed on Zoloft and Dr. added Cymbalta as it has anti-anxiety properties. One of Wellbutrin's common side effects is anxiety. I was originally being treated for depression; Wellbutrin was prescribed to me when the anti-depressant I was on quit working. I then developed severe anxiety which led to me being prescribed Klonopin, a benzo, which is only to be taken short term and is EXTREMELY addictive. My former Dr. told me none of that. By the time I dug into research to figure out why I had such severe anxiety out of the blue, my body was already addicted to the benzo. I've spent the last 10ish years sllllooooooowwwly weaning off that hideous drug. Bottom line for your question: (1) Wellbutrin can cause anxiety which can make one feel very ill (2) going off Wellbutrin cold-turkey is NOT recommended due to seizures at worst and flu symptoms at best. (3) Try drinking Boost or any of the nutrient type drinks until you can eat. (4) There are natural supplements that help calm anxiety. Magnesium is one. At GNC I purchase a product called "Calm" that is a combination of magnesium & lavender that has REALLY helped me but plain magnesium works. Benadryl-type allergy meds also work. I buy the generic brand. Did you contact your prescribing physician when you wanted to go off Wellbutrin and/or contact him to tell him how you're feeling now? The good news is that you were on a low dose. I don't know how long you were on it but, in my case, I'd been on a high dose for 20 years and it took about a month for the withdrawal symptoms to end. I HIGHLY recommend you contact your prescribing physician. I do believe what you're going through is Wellbutrin withdrawal and I can testify that it makes one feel very ill. Hang in there...and again...do contact your prescribing Dr. God bless you from one whose been there, Teril
  3. Hi Irish...I've been through most of what you described, including menopause, and remember feeling like I was just existing. The good news is there is definitely hope. I just completed weaning off Wellbutrin SR 150. I'd been on SR 300 then down to 150 a total of 15 years. (Was first put on anti-depressants 30 years ago.) My Dr. put me on 30 mg Cymbalta as it lessens anxiety and I continue to take 100 mg Zoloft and 0.25 mg Klonopin 1-2x day as needed. You asked about alternatives - I have had fantastic success with CBD oil. My body is addicted to Klonopin from being on it so long to the point of beginning hideous withdrawal symptoms if I don't take it for as little as 3 days. CBD eases anxiety for me very well. I still take Klonopin but don't have to rely on it 100% now. I recommend researching CBD oil as there are different types. After trial & error I now take 2 types - full spectrum oil with less than the legal amount of THC for anxiety & isolate (only the CBD from hemp) for insomnia. CBD. Is an anti-inflammatory & I've experienced unexpected positives from it like totally clearing the monthly UTIs I got for years. I just turned 66 and feel better than I have for years! I hope this encourages you :)
  4. I've been on a combo of Wellbutrin + Zoloft for at least 15 years, asked the same question of my psychiatrist and was only told, "The Zoloft/SSRI boosts the Wellbutrin." I didn't find that helpful so I began to research. Two main reasons I have discovered over the years and ones that keep coming up in various articles and literature over and over are: 1. There is a potential danger of Wellbutrin causing seizures, especially at higher levels ie. 300+ mg. Adding an SSRI lessens that potential. (I've been on many meds over the years that include seizures as a potential side effect plus potential seizures if one goes cold turkey off Wellbutrin or Klonopin - both of which I've done (not by choice and I definitely advise against it) and never had seizures, but everyone is different.) 2. Here's the one that infuriates me, given my history: Wellbutrin can cause anxiety; adding an SSRI combats that. (My initial diagnosis 30ish years ago was Major Depression, Recurrent/Rapid Cycling. It took about a year to find the correct combo of meds in the correct dose for major depressive episodes to be kept at bay. I felt well for years, led an active life, including earning an M.A. in Mental Health Counseling and working in the field...until my psych. decided to add Wellbutrin. I can't recall now why. Very shortly afterwards I began experiencing anxiety that kept getting worse until I had a new diagnosis to add to the first one: Major Anxiety Disorder. I was put on Klonopin without being told it should ONLY be used short-term (no longer than 2 weeks) AND is EXTREMELY ADDICTIVE. To round out the entire fiasco - he placed me on an extremely high dose - 5 mg! By the time I felt well enough to research Klonopin, my body was already addicted. The end result was having to go on SSDI 10 years ago due to the anxiety being so severe it affected my work. Only recently have I begun to realize that the Wellbutrin likely triggered the anxiety then my psych got to put me on yet another med. Thankfully, after being turned over to one of my psychiatrist's P.A.'s when he began conducting "medical trials", the Klonopin was lowered. After a few years I quit going to that practice and my meds are now prescribed by my doctor who uses supplements if at all possible for various issues. I currently take 0.5 mg Klonopin 2x/day, 100 mg Zoloft 1xday, and 150 Wellbutrin SR 1x/day.)
  5. Hi nojoy, Over the past 20 years I've taken generic Wellbutrin HCL (bupropion) in both SR & XL from 150 mg to 300 mg coupled with 100 mg generic Zoloft (sertraline). Currently taking Wellbutrin 150 SR + 100 mg Zoloft. I went to the same psychiatrist for 30 years, now prescribed the meds by a specialist I'm seeing for Hashimotos thyroiditis. (Sidenote: I was diagnosed with major depression/recurrent years prior to the Hashimotos (a thyroid autoimmune disease) diagnoses. In research I've done recently, I've discovered that thyroid conditions, especially Hashimotos, mimic depression. It is very possible I actually do not have clinical depression and as the Hashimotos is being brought under control as well as drastically changing my eating habits, I'm finding much less of a dependence on the meds.) I asked my former psychiatrist why an SSRI was always prescribed with Wellbutrin. The only answer I received was "The SSRI boosts the effects of Wellbutrin." Maybe partially true but I dug into this a bit deeper and discovered some interesting things: (1) Especially on higher doses ie. 300 mg, there is the potential for seizures; the SSRI is added to avoid that. I would recommend your own research on this because the word "seizure" is scary. It seems some people are more prone to this than others. Wellbutrin is also not to be stopped without tapering due to seizures as well but I went off cold-turkey twice, once due to a mess up on my p-doc's part; once because I thought I didn't need them anymore. I felt like I had a bad flu for about 10 days each time and, fortunately didn't know about the seizure connection then. (2) Wellbutrin is known to cause anxiety. Hmmm...now there's a kick in the pants!! Could be another reason for the SSRI and, coincidentally (?) I didn't have any anxiety issues until I was put on Wellbutrin; now I'm diagnosed with a major anxiety disorder and taking generic Klonopin (clonazepam) - a benzo to which my body is now addicted. From a lifetime of a variety of psych cocktails, beginning when I was first diagnosed with depression in my 30's, I've experienced a lot and researched a lot. Always ask your prescribing Dr. any questions/voice concerns re: meds but I highly recommend digging into research as well to see if it lines up with the info from your Dr. I discovered too late that my p-doc glossed over very serious effects of some drugs (especially Klonopin which is to be taken ONLY for 2 weeks at a time at most; he put me on an extremely high dose and left me there) and prescribing drugs was his "thing." Fortunately his P.A. took the dosage down and my current prescribing Dr. brought the other meds down and is supporting my body with supplements and dietary changes. Hope this helps.
  6. I've been on Wellbutrin for about 25 years and never heard about anti-inflammatory properties. Just did a search and these two articles are interesting: "Analgesic and anti-inflammatory activities of bupropion in animal models" - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4314873/ "Remission of Crohn's disease on bupropion" - https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(01)70021-2/fulltext I have Hashimotos Hypothyroid which is an autoimmune illness and am still battling high antibodies. No idea if they'd be worse off Wellbutrin. Interesting topic.
  7. I've been on (with some periods of off) bupropion for approximately 20 years; have been on a variety of meds since I was diagnosed with Major Depression Recurrent/Rapid Cycling 27 years ago and Major Anxiety Disorder added years later. The first time I went on bupropion (300 mg of SR) I had the weirdest sensations - one was feeling like my brain was free-floating in my skull. Can't think of another way to describe it. When I turned my head it felt like it took a few seconds for my brain to "catch up." I can't recall how long I stayed on it but eventually asked to be taken off. I went maybe a year without it (I was always on some "cocktail" of SSRIs+whatever) then requested to try it again. The second time I went on it I had no side effects. I have read that it can cause anxiety and I do think I was diagnosed with the anxiety disorder around the time I went on bupropion the first time. I stayed on a combo of 300 mg bupropion SR, 100 mg Zoloft, and at one time 5 mg Klonopin (arrgghh!). I saw the same psychiatrist, then later his P.A.'s until a year ago when I began going to a medical practice that uses supplements instead of/or to support medications for Hashimotos Hypothyroid. My P.A. then prescribed the Klonopin (over the years in working with my psychiatrist's P.A. I was taken down to 0.5 mg Klonopin 2x/day as needed) but didn't know they would also prescribe the other meds. I had been feeling well for years so decided to stop taking the bupropion/Zoloft. HUGE MISTAKE. I began a downward spiral beginning in May 2018 and hit bottom/was barely functional in November. I managed to get myself to my current P.A. appointment in December, told her what was going on, and she put me back on the meds except trying 150 mg bupropion SR and I am stable with that amount. That's my personal "bupropion story" and every person reacts differently but perhaps something in my experience will help. Re: resting heart rate - mine has always been high so taking bupropion did not affect it. It has gone down since I've been seeing my current Dr./P.A. who use natural thyroid meds instead of the synthetic. If you haven't yet, do tell your prescribing Dr. about the side effects you're having.
  8. Hi Shirl...great that you talked to your Dr. I've been on Wellbutrin for at least 20 years and have had no issues with it; just wanted to calm any "new med jitters."
  9. Hi Katrinasurvivor (I have a 14 yo cat that was a Hurricane Katrina rescue. I adopted her at the Orlando Humane Society - now part of Pet Alliance - she was chipped, declawed, spayed, and obviously had always been well-cared for. A chipped cat wouldn't be adopted out unless the owners surrendered her. I've often wondered what happened to her owners. Anyway...), I understand the panic of not having medication that works. I've been on a combo of Wellbutrin/bupropion and Zoloft/sertraline for 15 years; I'd been on Zoloft with other combinations another 15. I didn't realize Mylan wasn't making bupropion any longer. Just checked my bottle and I have Solco. No side effects thus far. I'm sorry you're going through this. Update - I still had the Wellbutrin bottle from my previous Dr. which was filled June 2, 2018. The manufacturer for it was Cipla. Same pharmacy. Waned to add that name since I don't think it's one you've tried.
  10. @Vega57 - Read my post above. I am now convinced Wellbutrin is what caused my anxiety which led to my having to go on disability 14 years ago.
  11. Hi Kate and welcome! I really feel for you. My story: I was diagnosed with "Major Depression Recurrent-Rapid Cycling" over 30 years ago by a psychiatrist. I was initially put on a combo of two psych meds and was stabilized for many years, lived a normal life, etc. until they quit working, at which point one of the meds was switched out for Wellbutrin. It was one of the weirdest psych meds I'd ever taken and in over 30 years I've taken a lot of different meds. The main issue with the Wellbutrin was that it made my brain feel "detached" from my skull. There's no other way I can describe it. When I turned my head, even very slowly, it felt like it took a few seconds for my "free-floating" brain to catch up. There were some other issues but eventually they evened out and the depressive symptoms vanished. I considered Wellbutrin a wonder drug; however, within about six months I developed a new mental illness - severe anxiety and I mean SEVERE! My p-doc then added Klonopin, an anti-anxiety med to the mix and kept increasing it until I was on 5 (that's FIVE) mg!!! I was such an anxious mess at the time (including pacing the floors) that I didn't do my usual research and didn't find out until way down the road that Klonopin (or any of the benzos) is for SHORT TERM treatment only and "short term" is defined as "no more than two weeks." This guy put me on an astronomical dosage and...left me on it. Eventually I had to go on disability due to the extreme anxiety, even taking Klonopin. Another thing about Klonopin, it is EXTREMELY hard to wean off of - some research says it is harder to wean off than illegal drugs. So what does this have to do with Wellbutrin? Eventually my p-doc, whose staff/office had grown from just him, a counselor, and one office manager to multiple psychiatrists, P.A.s, therapists, behavioral specialists, and a large office staff with the customer service attitude of the Gestapo. My Dr. got into "medication trials" (probably very lucrative) and I saw one of his P.A.s. who was mortified at the amount of Klonopin I was on and began decreasing it. Unfortunately she left and the next P.A.had the same personality/empathy as the office staff. This practice had turned into a "pill factory" - 15 minute appointments, hand the patient the med scripts, "see you in three months." The cancellation policy changed as well (with no notice) as I discovered six months ago when I was ill the day of my appointment, called the office to reschedule my appointment, and was told I wouldn't be rescheduled until I'd paid for the missed one. (Over the years and many moves, I now lived 2 hours one way from the office.) WHOA! Previously they had a $50 charge if one didn't cancel within 48 hours so I figured I'd have to pay that. It was time for a refill on all my meds so I said I'd send the check but could the P.A. please call in at least a one-week supply of the Wellbutrin and Klonopin, both of which are extremely dangerous to go off cold turkey. Nope! I was FRANTIC and and told the Gestapo staff to make a note in my file that the P.A. was endangering my health and possibly my life. So, to pull this all together - I began digging for research into Wellbutrin to see if there was some supplement or anything I could do to get me through withdrawal. I had some of each med left, but not much and figured I'd have to go to the ER within the week. Here's what I found out that was a true "light bulb" moment for me - research indicated that the reason another anti-depressant is prescribed with Wellbutrin is because .... wait for it ... Wellbutrin causes anxiety! That explains why I "only" had depressive symptoms prior to Wellbutrin but "out of the blue" developed major anxiety - to the point that I eventually had to go on disability for the anxiety - after being put on it. I got back into a medical practice that specializes in thyroid disorders (I also have Hashimotos Hypothyroid - an autoimmune illness) that I'd gone to years ago and, thankfully, they are working with me to wean me off the Klonopin. I had some rough days going off Wellbutrin but got through it. I have a family history of mental illness and, due to that plus my own struggle with depression and (I'm now convinced) Wellbutrin-induced anxiety, I earned a Masters degree in Mental Health Counseling and was working in the field until I went on disability...from the anxiety. My point is that I am definitely NOT a "no meds" person but if I'd done the digging re: Wellbutrin I did recently, I never would have gone on it NOR Klonopin.
  12. Adding my recent experience after some background: I've seen the same pdoc for approximately 30 years. Back then it was just the pdoc, office manager, and one therapist. Now he has several more pdocs on staff, plus many P.A.'s, and therapists as well as being involved in medication "research" which is almost like another new business for him. Ten years ago I moved to another town one hour from my pdoc. I had just applied for disability so did not want to break the continuity of treatment at the time since this doctor had my entire case history. After my disability was approved I began trying to find a new pdoc. Mine said he didn't know anyone in my area, my family Dr. is a D.O. and doesn't prescribe the meds I'm on; I saw a therapist who was also a nurse and could prescribe two of my meds but not the "controlled substance" (Klonopin/clonazepam). Since I only saw my pdoc 4x/year (every 3 months), I decided to stay with him until I could find another Dr. Fast forward to the present - my pdoc farmed me out to one of his P.A.'s who doesn't take Medicare and uses his office manager as a shield when I've asked to speak to him, keeping in mind the length of time I've been seeing him. So I continued to drive 2 hours total for a 15 min. appointment to just get handed my three scripts: Wellbutrin, Zoloft, and Klonopin. The cost kept going up and is currently $135.00 for 15 min. I don't have the money so a family member has been paying for my appointments. The practice charges $50.00 if an appt. is not cancelled/rescheduled at least 48 hours in advance. Since I only go 4x/year this hasn't been an issue but there have been times I have been ill the morning of the appointment and had to cancel and pay the $50. Recent experience: My current appt. was for last Thursday at 11:15 a.m. I woke up ill and very shaky so I knew I wasn't up to driving two hours in heavy traffic. I cancelled my appt., said I understood I would owe the late cancellation fee and would call to reschedule. When I did so Friday morning I was hit with a new policy that I've never heard before...never have seen posted anywhere, etc. The policy is that if one has three late cancellations, they have to first pay the office visit amount BEFORE they will reschedule. Apparently the three cancellations can go back several years as this was the first one for this year and before that two years ago. I was dumbfounded!! I told the receptionist that I was an hour away and out of my meds, particularly Klonopin, and by the time I could get a check in the mail to them I would be going through Klonopin withdrawals and be very ill. Didn't matter. I then asked if my P.A. could call in a small supply of Klonopin so I could mail the check (which I'd have to get from my family member) THEN make the appointment and no telling how long of a wait that would be. The receptionist checked with my P.A. who said I couldn't make an appt. until I paid the $135.00. Ironically, at my last appointment I told my P.A. that if I'd know how addictive Klonopin was when the pdoc put me on it about 15 years ago I would have refused. She nodded and said since I'd been on it so long, it would take years to wean off. (I am prescribed 0.5 mg. - take 1 or 2 daily as needed) so she knows full well the dangers of stopping cold turkey. I told the receptionist to please document in my file that the P.A. was putting my health in danger. WOW!!! 30 years, always compliant on my meds (and this pdoc LOVES to prescribe meds - he had me on SEVEN psych meds at one point, a couple of them addressing the same issue; I had to be firm over the years to just get down to three) and now I'm thrown into withdrawal from Klonopin due to not calling 48 hours in advance! I know this has to be unethical behavior. I have no idea where to go now. Withdrawal symptoms are already setting in. We have walk-in clinics but I'm not sure what to say - my Dr. won't see me? Explaining the reason sounds like I'm making it up. There is a county mental health clinic in town that I had planned to check out but that will likely take at least a few days, if not more, to qualify and get an appointment. ARRGGGGGHHH!! Thank you to whoever read all this.
  13. My "cocktail" of meds is Bupropion (Wellbutrin) XL 300 mg; Sertraline (Zoloft) 100 mg; Clonazepam/Klonopin (.5 mg) and was diagnosed with Hashimotos Hypothyroidism (autoimmune disease) 30 years ago so I also take 175 mcg Synthroid daily. I've talked to my psychiatrist and various of his P.A.s as well as various doctors who have prescribed the Synthroid over the years and the common denominator is to take the meds at the same time daily. "First thing in the morning" is what doctors tell patients re: Synthroid because of the 1-hr. wait before eating and they're basing it on people who work a "normal" schedule. Not everyone works an 8-5 - some work 2nd and 3rd shifts and then there are people who are nocturnal (like my parents) so for them, "first thing in the morning" is around 4 pm. So, based on what I've been told, I choose a time that is convenient for me to take the Synthroid and then the other meds together at the same time. I was advised by one psychiatric P.A. to take the Zoloft right before bed as it would help with the morning terrors I was experiencing. My mother does that now and says it works really well for her. Back to Synthroid/Levothyroxine - for 30 years all my doctors have said, "It doesn't matter what time you take it, just make sure you take it at the same time daily and either 1 hr. before eating or approximately 4 hrs. after eating. Main thing is to take it on an empty stomach.
  14. Hello, can you please contact me by pm? i cant seem to message you.

  15. Any time-release med, such as Bupropion/Wellbutrin XL should not even be cut in half, much less crushed, due to the med going into one's system slowly over time, which is what the XL means. If you took the crushed Bupropion at one time, you got the entire effect of the med immediately instead of how it was made to work.
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