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  1. So, now the batteries of the PC has been charged a little. I hope it is enough to answer you Barrier Maiden. I'll give it a try. 1) Depression Forums is older then both you and me. That means that a lot can have happened inside the forums in former times that we don't know about. 2) Before the «atheist forum» was made by a person I consider as a good friend of mine, here, we (all of us) could discuss everything without the feeling of that there was a we- and them-group. We all felt included in all the depression forums! 3) If you go into the TOS for this forum, you will find the following sentence: «- Before starting a new topic, browse through to see if it is already addressed in a previous thread». 4) If you had browsed through the thread for «depressed christians» you would have found out that it was made a few days before Christmas 2013, TWOTHOUSANDANDTHIRTEEN, three years ago!!! It was made as a help to Christians, in case they would feel offended by the then newly made «atheist thread». Read the first lines there. You can say it came as a consequence of the «atheist thread». By taking your time to read what the TOS states about reading before you made a new thread, you would have known that your question about why the «christian thread» is allowed would not have been necessary. (I don't think it is wise to try to play on the feel sorry for me buttons). 5) If you had browsed the two «atheist threads» (the one who is used now is a continuation of the the first made in 2013) you would have seen that not all people were following the TOS. 6) You would have seen that the starter of the thread had to remind other members more than once about that the thread was not meant to bash religion. 7) You would also have seen that the owner of all the forums, Lindsay, became furious because people broke the rules in the «atheist thread» (go back and read the first thread). There was a time when the thread nearly became closed. 8) You would have seen that I was not in the «atheist forum» at that point. That would have given you the understanding of that the closing had nothing to do with me and that to put your anger my way is not right. 9) Now when «the atheist thread» is closed, there is no need for the «christian thread». If they want to close that too, that is OK for me. NOW, let us look at this from the view of th social sciences. If you take the time to read a bit about groups, you will soon find out that to have two opposing groups in the same room is not wise. There will most likely be some sort of camaraderie inside the groups and perhaps some some sort of rivalry. I am not going to disclose what my education is (my anonymity is important to me). But I want to rid myself from the ridiculous idea that I am after the atheists (some have suggested that)! That is nonsense and it make me angry to "hear" such an idiotic statement! I am interested in that we do not lay the opportunity open for that people feels not included in DF, as it might happen when we have two opposing group. (Read scientific literature about in- and out-groups). It is up to Lindsay, the owner, to decide what kind of forum «The Depression and Religion Forum» shall be. The way I see it from a scientific view, is that we will do best with a neutral forum where people presents their cases when they need one topic at the time An alternative could have been one separate Buddhist forum, one separate Jewish forum, one separate Muslim forum, one separate Christian forum, one separate forum for Other religions and one separate forum for Atheists. But that would deprive all the members from the we-feeling and instead perhaps create a we and them feeling that people brings with them into other forums. I have nothing more to say! I have very little energy as a depressed person and don't want to waste it at such ridiculous «things» as somebody becoming angry because a forum is closed. Forums close for mime to time. So it is ... Hope we can all meet as friends around in all the forums. Bye (for now in the religious forum).
  2. I have to come back to you later, Barrier Maiden! My PC has to be charged. It becomes black if I try to use it while charged! See you soon!
  3. Hi Fenriss, Hope I can still congratulate with your birthday! Sorry to her about all your troubles, but hope you will feel at home at DF. All the best!
  4. I hope things will become better for you soon, Turnt!
  5. Red Marcy! Glad you are here, but sorry to hear about your troubles! You can google 'mood disorders'. As far as I know 'mood disorder' is a category of disorders where one thinks that the mood is affected. There are a lot of people here with different disorders and you will probably find a lot of people to communicate with. I hope that will be of some help and wish you good luck!
  6. Hi Flueterflam and . Please try to make yourself at home in our forums. There are many good people here. I am sorry to hear that you are suffering so much! You are not the only one who have trouble to let things go. I'm sure a lot of people have it that way. Isn't that what we call to bear grudge? If so perhaps you can google "how to overcome grudge" or "how to let go of past evils from others". Since you tell that you know what to do, but cannot do that for long (if I understood you right), I get the idea that perhaps it is not worked well enough through, may be you need to go back to the evil happenings (in your memory) and tell these people (in your head or speaking loud when nobody can hear you) that what they did to you was terrible. That can perhaps give you room for forgiveness because when thing are said the way you want really want them said, even if they don't hear it, you can lift your head and stretch your back! Do you have a therapist? To work through old happenings should be right in the center of what therapists work with. I send my very best wishes for your situation!
  7. Cas22 Hope you feel better now! Please look around in our forums and make yourself at home! There are many good people here. Hope you will like it here at DF!
  8. "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty".

    Sir Winston Churchill

  9. To have been beaten for being depressed must have been a trauma in itself. I am sorry that you feel this way (" emptiness, loneliness, anxiety (being stuck mostly in my room because of that), bitterness, anger and frustration growing"). I hope you will find yourself at home at DF. Do you have a therapist? With such a background and with the feeling of being stuck today I highly recommend that!
  10. Hello YoungRogerian, I think depression works almost the same way on all of us either we are a trainee to become a plumber, a trainee to become a therapist, a hardworking lawyer, a salesperson, a cook, a doctor or have another type of work/study. Everybody can catch a depression. If I remember right one in five becomes depressed. THAT is not a small number. Seen in this way you are no exception. Neither are your problems: Guilt and shame are main problems in the depression diagnoses. I hope you don't feel belittled when I answer you in such a way. I'm not trying to minimize your suffering. I only wanted to show you that shame and suffering are normal if you for the time being belongs to the depression population. You would have felt that you were not a good lawyer if that was your job, - felt ashamed of perhaps not being a good enough trainee to become a plummer if that were your future work and scared to death to make a mistake if you were a doctor. You are only human. And 20% of humans will catch a depression. But, don't forget, you are unique as well. If you have a therapist, that therapist will sew together a treatment plan for you to help you to recover and to use your talents the best way possible. My very best wishes for your progress!
  11. Of course deeds do matter, but nobody can save themselves by their own deeds, the way I see it. We please God by our good deeds. The way I understand Romans 2:6 is that we will be rewarded in some way (in the afterlife). My intention was not to start a debate about branches in Christendom. I was trying to give hope to Derpytia if she is still reading and is still struggling with the same problems related to God. Whatever she is doing that is not in line with the ten commandments, God will forgive when she asks for it. But as most of us, she is not perfect, so she will fall into sin again. God will still love her and forgive her again and again. Depressed people do not always have enough energy to do so many good deeds. If a depressed person thinks that she suffers because she is not doing enough good deeds, she will probably become self-blaming, more depressed and less able to do good deeds. I suppose that God knows that depressed people are in lack of energy and therefore first and foremost have to use the little energy there is to recover. Lazarus did not do anything other then to beg. He was the one who was rewarded. Please remember that DF is for support. In this thread Derpytia and her wellbeing is the main focus! What branch of Christendom you and I belong to doesn't matter as a topic. The response that you have quoted, however, was a response to these words from Truenorth: " Above all else, you will pi$$ off God to no end, for he gave you the gift of life, and you slapped God in the face. To disrespect a gift like that makes you undeserving of eternal life in Heaven". I was afraid that this talk about "slapping God in the face" and that Derpytia by "disrespect" was "undeserving of eternal life in Heaven", should make her more depressed, and since she thought that she was not good enough, "help" her to turn her back on God whom she presumably needs in her healing process. That's why I mentioned that we all are undeserving. We all sin (1John 1:10). As Christians we do have to be serious about the teachings about sin and we will have to ask for forgiveness if we want to still be in a relationship with God, but God will not leave us alone if we don't want to ... What one cannot do alone, God will help on the way to Heaven. To stay in a relationship with God, however, is not a guarantee for a good life here on earth. We will still meet challenges in life, some easy and other more difficult to face. But we have to ask for the help of God and to be reasonable enough to seek treatment our depressions if depression is the problem. For the one who wants to stay in the company of God, there is always hope ...
  12. With all respect; none of us is deserving Heaven. We have all sinned and are all called to repent our sins and to be forgiven so that we by the grace of God can enter Heaven when we die. To repent does not mean that we will never do the same sins again, but that God is always willing to have mercy on us when we ask for that, like the criminal at the side of Jesus at Calvary. None is worthy of God (even if we try to do good all day), but as depressed people we don't have to despair about our unworthiness, only ask for God's help on the road ... Please remember that DF is about support (not about frightening people)! It is OK to mention that to be a Christian is not always "a dance on roses", but not to say words that can scare people from searching God, because they think they are not worthy. None of us is, but still we can hope ...
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