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  1. I get the exact same sleep problems, and cutting it in half or taking one pill vs two is exactly what I do. Sometimes I even skip a dose for a day or even two. Then I sleep a lot--because I have some catching up to do. Nothing excessive, you know, just 9-10 hours, so you may want to try it on the weekend when you can sleep in and not be late for work. Each person is different, so only you know best. Oh, mine is the extended release, and cutting it in half works fine for me. If yours is the regular release, all the better for this experiment, I would imagine. I actually used to take it just "as needed" not because my doctor told me to, but because I figured out that that was what worked best for me. I don't put much faith into what doctors say (the manufacturers don't even know the mechanism of action for these drugs, how can the doctor?), but I have hunch your doc will not go along with the halving of pills.
  2. Yes, but it may not be as simple as curing insomnia, but more about getting your sleep into a more normal pattern (eliminating REM disturbances or whatever) . Oversleeping for example can cause or is at least associated with depression. In fact setting the alarm to wake yourself early can boost happy neurotransmitters--it's just a hack though, not a long-term solution. There's also the chicken-and-egg question, but yeah, getting better sleep should help with the depression, and vice versa. Never have taken suvorexant. Depending on your sensitivity benedryl and OTC stuff like that can help, but they make me more depressed, but they could work for you. Melatonin works for some people. There's a good one called Melodyn which is a combo. Passion flower and ashwaghanda too. Some people dismiss herbal remedies, but you might want to try them. As far as RX non-benzos, there is Trazadone, Visteril, Amitryptiline, Serequil...there's also a new melatonin re-uptake inhibitor...oh, I did see that in the article you linked...the meds I mentioned are pretty strong and like the article states, they can be anticholingeric and mess with other things. They left me so groggy I didn't see the point of taking them, but maybe they will work for you. Hmm I really want to try Suvorexant. Last thing is exercise. Well really that should be the first thing. Weight-lifting works best for me. Bicycling was a big no-no--it got me so wired, but hopefully you can find one that helps.
  3. The "Brutally Honest Personality Test" is a really funny one. 100%? Wow. I'm around 99%. High-Five! "INTP is the loser version of INTJ". Very funny. AND graceful. Gee, you really are an INTP aren't you? Kidding. Anyway, yeah, we're screwed. I'm INTP/J by the way. I am somewhat surprised by all the Es on here, but I guess I shouldn't be. This question was asked at a social anxiety forum. No surprise there; the meter blew up. I think there was ONE extrovert in the lot, but I guess that is to be expected for SA.
  4. I guess back in Oct 2013 the FDA had a finding about the 300XL equivalency and my suspicion is that somehow it made its way to the 150 XL products? Because about more than a month ago, Wellbutrin 150XL generic from Watson disappeared from a few pharmacies where I live, and in fact a small locally-owned pharmacy didn't even stock any brand of 150 XL. I wonder if the other shoe is gonna drop and a finding by the FDA is coming soon on the 150 XLs? My Rx is for 450 XL ....(150 x 3). I was a little worried when I got the new pills by "Global Pharma"...because they were this egg-yolk yellow color and bigger than my previous ones. Anybody else notice that their 150 XL pills look different? Any difference in response? I guess it depends on what part of the country or world you live.
  5. There was a post about a similar situation a while back, just thought I would post this if you guys had not heard about the FDA finding. I imagine these should be off the market by now, but if you got a 90 day supply for example you might have some of the stuff the FDA flagged and I don't know how that would work, I mean if you could just go back to the pharmacy and get a different version or if you should even worry about it now. One thing you might wannna keep in mind though is that once this product has left the pipeline, you'll get the good stuff and so you might get a different response from the med.
  6. No it's not the same, but...taking it every other day might be the way to go for you. These meds all have half-lives or something like that. Wellbutrin for example is 18 hours or something like that. I used to take it once a week and got by that way due to brutal insomnia that it caused. So once week, every other day, every two days, every 36 hours....one of those might work for you....your doctor will most certainly advise against that kind of thing, but tell him/her to get 3 hours sleep for a week and and then give you advice. Others might say keep taking it and your body will get used to it....eventually...maybe...I tried that route too...bad idea...for me. Anyway, it's not unheard of to take SSRI "holidays" after some time period, only in your case the time period is a day or two. I mean definitely be careful when throttling meds, but I've done it and I still do it, and you must be aware of any withdrawal symptoms and stuff like that, and I would have some kind of anxiolytic on hand just in case. There is stuff other than benzos like Visteril and Trazadone or amitrytpiline. Oh, almost forgot, pills like Prozac come in capsule form right? You can empty the capsules and take micro-doses, just sprinkle a few little pellets on your hand or on some food...been meaning to post about this. I do it just once a day but maybe you could try dividing the pill several ways. All this stuff is probably controversial to some people but I do it and I know what works for me. All depends on your risk/comfort level with the med. Talk to your doc, but don't be surprised if he looks at you like you have horns growing out of your head when you mention these unconventional techniques and be careful and go from there.
  7. Hey pleasetomeetme....I'm pleased to meet you. I found that it's called Telogen Effluvium, and supposedly it's temporary, or rather, reversible: http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-loss/effluviums. And yeah Wellbutrin can cause it, though supposedly it is rare. Another obvious questions is whether baldness runs in your family. I demand to know. Just kidding. You could get a DNA test done possibly? I'm not sure the baldness gene is tested for in these tests, but if you do take the DNA test (you know, where they give you half your whole genome or something crazy like that) and it's negative, you could show it to your doc and that way he/she won't totally blow you off like some doctors might. These tests are like 99 bucks these days or something like that. Maybe $200? But for a hypochondriac like you (kidding!) it's a goldmine! Please take a pic of the look your doctor's face when you show him the test results if you go that route. Either way, even though 27 is not too young to start getting some baldness, if your gut tells you it's the Wellbutrin, you are probably on to something, I say. Don't let some doctor just dismiss it off hand.
  8. Been a while since I have been here, hey jason, how's it going? Crikey

  9. Hey prox. Long time no see, been a while since I have been on here. How you been?

  10. Hey fogmonster, just wanted to say I can relate to how you feel. I actually have a lot to say about what you wrote but you know, concentration and fatigue get in the way. I have a lot fo questions for you like what is your daily social life like? I mean do you go to school? work? both? I quickly read some of yout other posts about isolation and fatigue, are you very isolated? Do you have shyness, social anxiety? What is your diet like? Are you on meds? For me I had noticed that my thoughts had changed from being future-oriented to past-orieneted. It's pretty hard to not be so introverted, and that was fine as long as I thought about the future in some good way, like goals or even daydreams. But it got to a point where I was always thinking about the past in a bad way. I went to sleep like that and I woke up like that. I read somewhere that a severe serotonin shortage in your brain will make you recall painful memories (no matter now long ago thehy occurred.) Anyway, it's a big mess. Complicated. But I can recommend some supplements and books and things if you are interested.
  11. Hmm, if you want to keep giving WB a shot, you might want to try a lower dosage or maybe the brand one, or the SR or regular release ones. I mention that because once with a generic one, the extended release was off a bit (which was allowed by the FDA--not sure that has changed or not), but anyway, despite that it's not supposed to affect serotonin, it gave me serotonin syndrome. The pill was just releasing it too fast. I know it was serotonin syndrome because it was the same as when I (stupidly) took extra SSRIs in hopes of getting a response years before so I recognized the feeling. Anyway the wellbutrin made me sick and demotivated me. I even called my doc the same day and ended up trying 2 different pharmacies, then calling many to make sure they had a different manufacturer. So if you want to give it a shot, who knows, something similar might be happening--a little serotonin syndrome. So I would say right now, stop taking it (taper off) because this kind of response is NOT supposed to happen. I would like to suggest you get off the med, then maybe start fresh with 150XL.
  12. Thanks both you guys for the replies. I will look into both of those.
  13. Hi, I too can confirm that Wellbutrin is pro sexual. Nothing as extreme as you though. There's no warning because it's like warning you that it might make you happy I guess. Nah, probably not enough scientific evidence? Well even Dr. Phil suggests wellbutrin for it's positive affects on libido though. I gotta say though, 450 I thought was the manufacturer's safe limit. Beyond that and you are at higher risk for seizure. Having mentioned that, I too have taken 600. It was 4 x 150XL though. Just when my depression gets very bad though. So be aware of seizure risk, especially with alcohol. Sounds like you need a combo of some kind. I'm sure you and your docs can find one. Good luck.
  14. Hmm. I just went to dontpetme.com. It seems to say that the dog requires no documentation but the owner would need documentation of his/her disability? I'm confused though as to what is considered a disability--officially that is. "An individual is considered to have a "disability" if s/he has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, has a record of such an impairment, or is regarded as having such an impairment." So what documentation from an individual would be required? Disability status from the social security administration? A doctor's note?
  15. Does anyone know of a good MAOIs , those that have 1. no sexual side effects and 2. no/few dietary restrictions and 3. no blood pressure/cardio issues AND 4. is available in the U.S.? I had read about some (like moclobemide) but it is not available in the U.S...Although I did find one post from one user in California that used it? Is it available here or not? I called pharmacies in 2 different states and it did not come up in their computers. Please, no advice along the lines of "talk to your doctor". I'm trying to do research on meds that might help me, and I want to know in advance what side effects any med my doctor suggests might have, rather than get some med RX, only to read that it has side effects that are deal-breakers for me, then I have to go back to doctor and tell her I won't take them. Besides, the docs are too busy to read through the 1000s of journal publications to be up to date, so any info would be appreciated.
  16. You guys can just Google it but here's a translation of part of it. "You are not depressed, you are distracted, and distracted from the life that inhabits you. Distracted from the life around you: dolphins, forests, seas, mountains, rivers… Do not end up as your sibling did, suffering because of a human being when there are more than 5600 million human beings in the world. Moreover it is not so bad to live alone. I do very well, deciding every moment what I want to do, and thanks to the solitude I know myself, something fundamental to live. Donot end up as your father did, feeling old because he was 70 years old, forgetting that Moses led the exodus when he was 80 and Rubinstein interpreted Chopin like nobody else when he was 90. I mean just to allude to two very well known cases. You are not depressed; you are distracted. You believe that you have lost something, which is impossible, because everything that you have was given to you. You did not make a single hair of your head so you can not own anything. In addition, life does not subtract things, it liberates you from them. It makes you lighter so that you can fly higher and reach the fullness. From cradle to grave, it is a school, and that is why those predicaments that you call problems are lessons, indeed. You lost nobody; the one who died is just going ahead, because we all are going there. Besides this, the best of him/her, his/her love, is still in your heart. Who could say that Jesus is dead? There is not death, but only movement. And on the other side there are some wonderful people waiting for you: Gandhi, Michelangelo Whitman, St. Augustine, Mother Teresa, your grandmother and my mother, who believed that poverty is actually closer to what we call Love, because money distracts us with too many things, and makes us apprehensive and doubtful. Do only what you love and you will be happy; the one who can do what he/she loves, is blessed and destined to have success, which will definitively come, because what must come, will come, but will come naturally. Do not do anything for obligation or commitment, but for love. Only then there will be fullness in your life, and with fullness everything is possible; and possible without any effort because what will move you will be the natural force of life, the same that raised me when the plane crashed with my wife and my daughter, the same which kept me alive when my doctors predicted that I would have only 3 or 4 more months of life. God has put a human being under your care, and that is yourself; so please set yourself free and make yourself happy, and then you will be able to share the true life with others. Remember Jesus: “You shall love one’s neighbor as thyself.” Reconcile you to yourself, stand in front of the mirror and think that the creature that you are seeing is a masterpiece of God and decide right now to be happy because happiness is an achievement. Besides, happiness is not a right but a duty, because if you are not happy, you are making miserable the lives of all those who love you. Just remember, one man who had no talent or courage to live ordered the execution of six million Jewish siblings. There are so many things to enjoy ourselves here on earth and our life is so short that suffering is a loss of time. We have, for example, snow in winter to enjoy with; flowers in spring, chocolate made by the Perugia, French baguette, Mexican tacos, Chilean alcohol, seas and rivers, Brazilian soccer, The Thousand and One Nights, the Divine Comedy, Don Quixote, Pedro Paramo, boleros composed by Manzanero and poems written by Whitman, Mahler, Mozart, Chopin, Beethoven, Caravaggio, Rembrandt, Velasquez, Picasso and Tamayo, among many other wonders. And if you have got cancer or AIDS, two things can happen and both are good. If it wins, it releases your body from so many things that can be so annoying sometimes: I am hungry, I am cold, it is my dream, I feel like I am right, I have doubts … and if you win, you will be more humble, more grateful, therefore, much more easily happy. Liberate yourself from the tremendous burden of guilt, responsibility, and vanity, and be ready to live each moment deeply, as it should be. You are not depressed, you just need to be busy. Help the child who needs you, and that child will be your child’s partner. Help old people, and young people will help you when you be old. In addition, service to others is an absolutely guaranteed happiness, as certain as enjoying and taking care of nature for those who will come tomorrow. Give without measure and you will receive without measure. Love till you become the beloved, and even more! Love till you become the love itself! And never let some few homicidal and suicidal people distract you neither confuse you; the good is majority, but you do not realize it because it is quiet; a bomb makes much more noise than a caress, but for every bomb that destroys houses, there are millions of caresses that nourishes life."
  17. Hmm. So a comprehensive exam after the hearing. I had Googled that but all I got was stuff about initial exams.
  18. Facundo Cabral wrote an essay about depression "No estas Deprimido, estas Distraido"/"You're Not Depressed, You're Distracted". I thought it was very good. Here are some links: 'Please PM Member for video's' The full length one is in Spanish Will look for a full-length english version.
  19. Don't know if you've seen this but it posts some really good ideas: http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/88192-how-to-help-someone-with-depression/#entry961074 I think it assumes that there is some acknowledgement of depression or sadness, so as far as my personal thoughts, and since he seems reluctant to admit it, maybe you just saying that you have noticed he seems a little sad or off or something to get the conversation started you know? But I use the word conversation lightly. If he's a typical guy, he might not be in touch with his feelings (quiet literally in the brain), so it's not just that he is unwilling to talk about it but that he's unable to. It's also not just a pride thing, it's a way of keeping the depression at bay. In short, some guys hate talking about their feelings, or having to confront them, so finesse and tact and being tangential about it are essential. So just stating that you have noticed, are concerned (just a little otherwise it's too much pressure because now he has to worry about YOU worrying, and has to solve THAT problem) and offering--just offering, not insisting to be there to talk/communicate. As far as texts, just asking if he's doing alright, or how he's doing, or joking or something would be helpful in my opinion. A joke/funny text, then one mentioning your concern is a good tactic I think. Or if you think he's really guarded then just jokes! Start off with one or two or something , hard to say how many times a week (is he the talkative type?), and if possible at times when you know he is not busy. Emails can be longer and more involved obviously, but without pressure. Eventually (weeks or months?) you can be more insistent that he really should talk to someone maybe. Stuff like that. Who knows maybe just one e-mail from you will send him gushing with pages worth of e-mails. Hope I was a little helpful.
  20. Thanks. Of course you agree; I'm always right. ha. Glad you were able to get it. You guys might not believe this but it acts FAST on me.. within minutes. Although sometimes a few hours. But it also wears off fast. It's like my mind is a dopamine? furnace and it burns right through it, so I gotta throw in coal to feed the fire. I can tell when I have forgotten a dose or when I decide not to take it. Also when I take a med vacation, I pop a few pills and it's fast. That's me anyway. All meds seems to do that though. SSRIS. Anything really. Buspar too. Don't assume it's the placebo effect either. I read somewhere depressed people have low incidence of placebo effect. Because we're so negative or something. Nice. So get psyched and watch for ghosts coming out of the walls, the room spinning, and time-space-warping because that's when you know it's really working. Nah, totally messing with you about those effects. (Although one time time-space did warp a little.) I miss those days. Also if you can afford it you might wanna try the non-generic for an extra good happiness. The med is equivalent but something about the time-release that is not equivalent and that's totally allowed by FDA rules. There was a big fiasco a few years ago from one manufacturer; FDA had to investigate. It's been resolved but they're still not quite the same. I'm stuck with the generic right now, but I might mix in a brand one here and there.
  21. Couldn't tell if you meant you tried Wellbutrin or just read about it. But yeah, Wellbutrin does give you energy. Hmm nurse practitioner might be more willing to give you what you ask for. Or not. Some doctors are dogmatic about trying whatever the pharma sales-guy, er, I mean they themselves "think" is "best". You could tell a little white lie and say you were on it a long time ago and that it worked. Or have handy the reasons you want to take it and also maybe reasons why you don't want to take somethhing else. And don't forget, they (nor you) have any idea really how a med will effect you. If they say that their patients seem to take well to such-and-such drug, well, how quaint, but they really don't know how it will affect you. I've been steered wrong countless times by docs and yes, that include psychiatrist. Quacks. I mean basically it boils down to a crap shoot, and "here, try this". It's anyone's guess. I mean I'm surprised sometimes by other people's reactions to meds that I kinda liked but made them sick and vice versa. The pros are just guessing and your educated guess is as good as theirs. Anyway, sorry for ranting. Be ready for push-back, and ask for what you want and take everything they tell you with a grain of salt. Wellbutrin is not a bad idea if you ask me.
  22. Well this thread is depressing. Kidding. I couldn't read through the whole thing of course but I will go back over it when I can. By the way, I have to also say that SSRIs can (and did) have a permanent negative effect on me after using them only a few months, or even weeks. Just wanted to say that because of some skepticism about that. It's even listed in the drug literature. Too bad I read that only when it was too late. Or one time I was so desperate. So brain damage? Brain alteration? What's the difference? Point is the brain started working differently--in a bad way. Brain hosage. Not to mention chronic stress does destroy brain cells. So brain damage is very real I think. Things I would suggest are like a few people here are Rhodiola, Wellbutrin, Aniracetam, and Choline, but it's been hit or miss with me. Totally unreliable. But I haven't given up yet though. The things I want to try next are: 1. L-Methylfo​late 2. Moclobemide 3. Pramipexole 4. stimulants 5. Some kind of social/adrenaline rush like a roller-coaster (an actual roller coaster). I have social anxiety though, so the social thing is a TALL order for sure. The stress might fry my brain. Has anyone here tried something to jolt you, like an adrenaline rush-type thing? You know like bungee jumping? It's a cool idea isn't it?
  23. I think it's a great idea. I have read a few articles here and there about that, and most recently I saw it on TV. Entertainment Tonight of all places. This older TV/Movie star had her pic taken with her dog comfy in her purse right as they were walking into a restaurant and when asked if it was a shelter dog, she said no it was for some kind of anxiety problem or something like that. I don't know if you have to be declared disabled to get that kind of permission or anything.
  24. Is anyone here surprised that the vast majority are "I" types? Why? Oh that's easy, our fantastic proficieny at ruminating and acessing long-term memory! A book called the Introvert advantage talks about this by the way. Anyway I went through all five pages. Not only that but it seems like mostly 4 types of "I"s are represented. A bunch of INTPs, INTJs, ISFJs and INFJs. I think INTJ and ISFJs had the most but just kept a rough count. Yikes. That's depressing. Anyway, I'm INTP/J. Awesome!
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