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[fishguyUMD]

Hi All,

Quick question for all of you on Effexor (or who have ever taken it). My girlfriend recently had a doctor add Pristiq on top of her Wellbutrin. The side effects were awful...severe nausea, tremors, muscle pain, etc. But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light. He took her off Pristiq after only a few days, and then switched her over to Effexor after just a couple more. After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). I do, however, know they're consistent with serotonin syndrome (which wouldn't surprise me, since she's reacted badly to SSRIs every time they've tried to give them to her).

Anyway, any thoughts/experiences would be greatly appreciated, as these problems have been more than a bit scary.

Cheers

[splinter]

 fishguyUMD, on Oct 29 2008, 06:12 AM, said:

Hi All,

Quick question for all of you on Effexor (or who have ever taken it). My girlfriend recently had a doctor add Pristiq on top of her Wellbutrin. The side effects were awful...severe nausea, tremors, muscle pain, etc. But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light. He took her off Pristiq after only a few days, and then switched her over to Effexor after just a couple more. After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). I do, however, know they're consistent with serotonin syndrome (which wouldn't surprise me, since she's reacted badly to SSRIs every time they've tried to give them to her).

Anyway, any thoughts/experiences would be greatly appreciated, as these problems have been more than a bit scary.

Cheers

I had dilated pupils and shaky vision for about 2 weeks when I first started. Everyones different and really she needs to see the doctor about these side effects.

[jocelain]

'But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light... After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). '

After being on Effexor xr for 13 years now, I thought I had made myself aware of all the side effects, at least for me. I started in my early-forties, after weaning my son, and have stayed with it through all the life changes of the 50's. When in my early 50's I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, I was very alarmed. I worked at a physical job as a display merchandiser, and was in good shape. Neither of my parents (now in their late 80's) ever had arthritis. I figured my years of running and high-impact aerobics had decided to pay me back. I had to change jobs, and have made plentiful use of tylenol with codeine at night to sleep. Not to mention thousands of dollars spent at naturopaths, osteopaths and chiropractors.

A couple of years later, my eyesight became notably worse. As a designer, I was really concerned, as my ability to differentiate colours was greatly impacted. I decided to see a specialist and was told that not only did I have predictable (for my age) cataracts, but that in examining my eyeball interiors, I had signs of drusen, which is indicative of macular degeneration. I couldn't believe it, so I saw another specialist. Now this is something that usually is genetic, and there again, I have my octogenarian parents, who wear glasses, but certainly never got this diagnosis! I got the same diagnosis the second time.

This year, the vision thing started to get way worse. I had several incidents night driving where the glare from headlights would blind me so much that I couldn't read a road sign when I placed it in my centre of vision. Several times I got lost in cities I knew my way around. One day I woke up and didn't need glasses at all! That was an anomaly. Recently my right eye has been seeing more poorly. This is all within less than two years. A few months ago I told my G.P. I'd like a 3rd opinion. I waited  to see the "best specialist" in Toronto, and heard another story this week. She is convinced that there are certain families of anti-depressants that are responsible for symptoms that mimic age-related macular degeneration. She sent me for a whack of eye tests at the hospital across the road, and wants me back in 6 months once I've weaned myself off of some of my meds.

I told her I had googled and researched this, looking for connections between effexor, mirapex (which I take for severe restless legs (started in my late 40's), clonazapam for getting to sleep, and most recently risperidone which is supposed to give me a better sleep and treat what could be manic or bipolar like symptoms, and both arthritis and "mac degen" symptoms! She said that what she's discovered as a specialist with a LOT of people through her office, is that most people don't TELL their doctors (specialists such as opthalmologists) what they're on! She says she has a few other patients who are taking similar drugs to me, and have these drusen-like markings in the back of their eyeballs.

When I read your posting, and other more recent blogs and comments after googling the drugs and symptoms, I see a pattern! People talk of twitching limbs, swollen joints and problems with their eyesight! My husband and I decided to take the lack of libido in stride, if I were happier. Now I realize that there may be much more serious side-effects at stake here. I have managed to wean myself from 262.5 mg to 150 mg in the past 6 months. I always suspected the drug was "messing with my fluid levels" as I put it to my psychiatrist. We tried celexa and cyprexa with no good results. Previously when I first went on Effexor, we tried probably 8 other meds before coming back to Effexor as the one best for my type of depression. In the last year and a half I've put on 25 pounds as a result of not being able to exercise comfortably because of my knees. Sometimes I walk with a cane. I still work on my feet, so have to rest between shifts, and fake it those days!

I know you wrote this post a long time ago. I just found it, as I suppose I gave up looking for answers online a year ago or so. Now I think I have some common sense answers. You're a gem to be doing this research for your girlfriend. Let me know if you were able to find a solution for her situation. I know we are all unique, and what works for one type of illness, won't work for another. I think the pieces of the puzzle are starting to dome together. Just for fun, try googling "TED antidepressants love" and listen to a lovely take on this whole situation of antidepressants in our society! Thanks for your post

[Mya47]

 jocelain, on Mar 15 2009, 07:51 AM, said:

'But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light... After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). '

After being on Effexor xr for 13 years now, I thought I had made myself aware of all the side effects, at least for me. I started in my early-forties, after weaning my son, and have stayed with it through all the life changes of the 50's. When in my early 50's I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, I was very alarmed. I worked at a physical job as a display merchandiser, and was in good shape. Neither of my parents (now in their late 80's) ever had arthritis. I figured my years of running and high-impact aerobics had decided to pay me back. I had to change jobs, and have made plentiful use of tylenol with codeine at night to sleep. Not to mention thousands of dollars spent at naturopaths, osteopaths and chiropractors.

A couple of years later, my eyesight became notably worse. As a designer, I was really concerned, as my ability to differentiate colours was greatly impacted. I decided to see a specialist and was told that not only did I have predictable (for my age) cataracts, but that in examining my eyeball interiors, I had signs of drusen, which is indicative of macular degeneration. I couldn't believe it, so I saw another specialist. Now this is something that usually is genetic, and there again, I have my octogenarian parents, who wear glasses, but certainly never got this diagnosis! I got the same diagnosis the second time.

This year, the vision thing started to get way worse. I had several incidents night driving where the glare from headlights would blind me so much that I couldn't read a road sign when I placed it in my centre of vision. Several times I got lost in cities I knew my way around. One day I woke up and didn't need glasses at all! That was an anomaly. Recently my right eye has been seeing more poorly. This is all within less than two years. A few months ago I told my G.P. I'd like a 3rd opinion. I waited  to see the "best specialist" in Toronto, and heard another story this week. She is convinced that there are certain families of anti-depressants that are responsible for symptoms that mimic age-related macular degeneration. She sent me for a whack of eye tests at the hospital across the road, and wants me back in 6 months once I've weaned myself off of some of my meds.

I told her I had googled and researched this, looking for connections between effexor, mirapex (which I take for severe restless legs (started in my late 40's), clonazapam for getting to sleep, and most recently risperidone which is supposed to give me a better sleep and treat what could be manic or bipolar like symptoms, and both arthritis and "mac degen" symptoms! She said that what she's discovered as a specialist with a LOT of people through her office, is that most people don't TELL their doctors (specialists such as opthalmologists) what they're on! She says she has a few other patients who are taking similar drugs to me, and have these drusen-like markings in the back of their eyeballs.

When I read your posting, and other more recent blogs and comments after googling the drugs and symptoms, I see a pattern! People talk of twitching limbs, swollen joints and problems with their eyesight! My husband and I decided to take the lack of libido in stride, if I were happier. Now I realize that there may be much more serious side-effects at stake here. I have managed to wean myself from 262.5 mg to 150 mg in the past 6 months. I always suspected the drug was "messing with my fluid levels" as I put it to my psychiatrist. We tried celexa and cyprexa with no good results. Previously when I first went on Effexor, we tried probably 8 other meds before coming back to Effexor as the one best for my type of depression. In the last year and a half I've put on 25 pounds as a result of not being able to exercise comfortably because of my knees. Sometimes I walk with a cane. I still work on my feet, so have to rest between shifts, and fake it those days!

I know you wrote this post a long time ago. I just found it, as I suppose I gave up looking for answers online a year ago or so. Now I think I have some common sense answers. You're a gem to be doing this research for your girlfriend. Let me know if you were able to find a solution for her situation. I know we are all unique, and what works for one type of illness, won't work for another. I think the pieces of the puzzle are starting to dome together. Just for fun, try googling "TED antidepressants love" and listen to a lovely take on this whole situation of antidepressants in our society! Thanks for your post

Very interesting post, I hope it gets some more hits.  I took Serzone for 3yrs in late 90's and I still see the purple floaters as a result.  I too take Klonopin during day for anxiety and vertigo issues and temazepam for sleep.  I've been on every ssri out there and had terrible side effects so didn't stay for long.  I've also tried Risperdal and Zyprexa for sleep and anxiety but only for a week or so.  I truly believe some of my issues with my eyes/vision/balance could be med related.  I googled TED but couldn't get any answers to this issue.  I'm concerned as my dad has macular degeneration.  I'm curious, did you say Risperdone could "help" your arthritis and mac den or cause them?  I too just found arthritis in my neck but then again i was an aerobic queen too for many many years and my mom is loaded.  I'm 48yrs old.  

[jocelain]

 Mya47, on Mar 15 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

 jocelain, on Mar 15 2009, 07:51 AM, said:

'But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light... After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). '

After being on Effexor xr for 13 years now, I thought I had made myself aware of all the side effects, at least for me. I started in my early-forties, after weaning my son, and have stayed with it through all the life changes of the 50's. When in my early 50's I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, I was very alarmed. I worked at a physical job as a display merchandiser, and was in good shape. Neither of my parents (now in their late 80's) ever had arthritis. I figured my years of running and high-impact aerobics had decided to pay me back. I had to change jobs, and have made plentiful use of tylenol with codeine at night to sleep. Not to mention thousands of dollars spent at naturopaths, osteopaths and chiropractors.

A couple of years later, my eyesight became notably worse. As a designer, I was really concerned, as my ability to differentiate colours was greatly impacted. I decided to see a specialist and was told that not only did I have predictable (for my age) cataracts, but that in examining my eyeball interiors, I had signs of drusen, which is indicative of macular degeneration. I couldn't believe it, so I saw another specialist. Now this is something that usually is genetic, and there again, I have my octogenarian parents, who wear glasses, but certainly never got this diagnosis! I got the same diagnosis the second time.

This year, the vision thing started to get way worse. I had several incidents night driving where the glare from headlights would blind me so much that I couldn't read a road sign when I placed it in my centre of vision. Several times I got lost in cities I knew my way around. One day I woke up and didn't need glasses at all! That was an anomaly. Recently my right eye has been seeing more poorly. This is all within less than two years. A few months ago I told my G.P. I'd like a 3rd opinion. I waited  to see the "best specialist" in Toronto, and heard another story this week. She is convinced that there are certain families of anti-depressants that are responsible for symptoms that mimic age-related macular degeneration. She sent me for a whack of eye tests at the hospital across the road, and wants me back in 6 months once I've weaned myself off of some of my meds.

I told her I had googled and researched this, looking for connections between effexor, mirapex (which I take for severe restless legs (started in my late 40's), clonazapam for getting to sleep, and most recently risperidone which is supposed to give me a better sleep and treat what could be manic or bipolar like symptoms, and both arthritis and "mac degen" symptoms! She said that what she's discovered as a specialist with a LOT of people through her office, is that most people don't TELL their doctors (specialists such as opthalmologists) what they're on! She says she has a few other patients who are taking similar drugs to me, and have these drusen-like markings in the back of their eyeballs.

When I read your posting, and other more recent blogs and comments after googling the drugs and symptoms, I see a pattern! People talk of twitching limbs, swollen joints and problems with their eyesight! My husband and I decided to take the lack of libido in stride, if I were happier. Now I realize that there may be much more serious side-effects at stake here. I have managed to wean myself from 262.5 mg to 150 mg in the past 6 months. I always suspected the drug was "messing with my fluid levels" as I put it to my psychiatrist. We tried celexa and cyprexa with no good results. Previously when I first went on Effexor, we tried probably 8 other meds before coming back to Effexor as the one best for my type of depression. In the last year and a half I've put on 25 pounds as a result of not being able to exercise comfortably because of my knees. Sometimes I walk with a cane. I still work on my feet, so have to rest between shifts, and fake it those days!

I know you wrote this post a long time ago. I just found it, as I suppose I gave up looking for answers online a year ago or so. Now I think I have some common sense answers. You're a gem to be doing this research for your girlfriend. Let me know if you were able to find a solution for her situation. I know we are all unique, and what works for one type of illness, won't work for another. I think the pieces of the puzzle are starting to dome together. Just for fun, try googling "TED antidepressants love" and listen to a lovely take on this whole situation of antidepressants in our society! Thanks for your post

Very interesting post, I hope it gets some more hits.  I took Serzone for 3yrs in late 90's and I still see the purple floaters as a result.  I too take Klonopin during day for anxiety and vertigo issues and temazepam for sleep.  I've been on every ssri out there and had terrible side effects so didn't stay for long.  I've also tried Risperdal and Zyprexa for sleep and anxiety but only for a week or so.  I truly believe some of my issues with my eyes/vision/balance could be med related.  I googled TED but couldn't get any answers to this issue.  I'm concerned as my dad has macular degeneration.  I'm curious, did you say Risperdone could "help" your arthritis and mac den or cause them?  I too just found arthritis in my neck but then again i was an aerobic queen too for many many years and my mom is loaded.  I'm 48yrs old.  

[jocelain]

"
Very interesting post, I hope it gets some more hits.  I took Serzone for 3yrs in late 90's and I still see the purple floaters as a result.  I too take Klonopin during day for anxiety and vertigo issues and temazepam for sleep.  I've been on every ssri out there and had terrible side effects so didn't stay for long.  I've also tried Risperdal and Zyprexa for sleep and anxiety but only for a week or so.  I truly believe some of my issues with my eyes/vision/balance could be med related.  I googled TED but couldn't get any answers to this issue.  I'm concerned as my dad has macular degeneration.  I'm curious, did you say Risperdone could "help" your arthritis and mac den or cause them?  I too just found arthritis in my neck but then again i was an aerobic queen too for many many years and my mom is loaded.  I'm 48yrs old.   "

Taken me a while to respond to this feedback on my original post on the subject of mac degen and antidepressants. But I have a follow-up, which really isn't much helpful information on the subject of eliminating effexor in the effort to reduce drusen. Well apparently that was too much to hope for, as I returned to the same opthalmologist, clean off Effexor (ouch), and all she said was that my drusen hadn't gotten worse. If I decide to stay off AD's, I don't need to see her for another year. If I now start another AD, she wants to see me in 4 months. I really don't know what I'm going to do, as this is a brutal time of year to go clean! My psychiatrist retires in November, after 25 years with me, and she doesn't seem to really have answers either.

To answer your question about risperidone: was not taking to help with mac degen or arthritis. Doctor was addressing my need to wean off effexor, and get good sleeps. I'm going to leave it alone for a while, but have some other ideas about mirapex and restless legs.Mirapex doesn't seem to be a simple drug, and I have suspicions that it may be affecting my "money management", which is decidedly worse since I started it. I'm throwing a whole lot of things out here, but I'm wondering about Effexor causing RLS in the first place (or at least exacerbating it). I truly feel s***ty now that I'm off my effexor, but better than I was weaning off it. Don't know if I can stick it out and stay off anything. I'm aiming to decrease Mirapex next as I think it may be the culprit fro both mac degen and even early arthritis.

There are SO MANY side effects to all these drugs. It is such a huge list of problems people have had. I would like to go totally clean, but don't know if I can do it. I am even suspicious of estring (estrogen ring in vagina) causing huge weight gain. Again, the timing is right, and here I thought this was a purely local HRT. In my research I am cross-referencing EVERYTHING and coming up with a "cat's cradle" of connections!

Anyone else with weight gain, arthritis, mac degen (drusen), restless legs; on clonazapam, mirapex resperdone and estring? Actually I just pulled the estring out, and started reducing mirapex tonight. Off Effexor, YEAH! Libido back to normal, too bad about the estring...
P.S. don't know if I responded to your query re TED or not. Google TED and antidepressants together. Just food for thought.

[Khristy]

Hi, Jocelain.

I believe your GP is on to something in regards to AD's mimicking Macular Degeneration.  
Many years ago, I posted my own story about vision loss after taking Celexa for an extended period of time. Prior to taking Celexa - I had been taking Effexor.  I lost central vision in my right eye.  It is permanent & inoperable.  
Because I'd had no family history of that disease, no other health problems and was only in my thirties at the time - the diagnosis didn't make sense to me.  I did report it to the FDA and Forest Pharmaceuticals.  At the time - the FDA only had a handful of eye related incidents reported to them and could not really do anything.
Out of frustration, I made posts so that others - especially Senior Citizens - could be aware.
If you're interested - my posts can be found here:

"Please PM Member for Links"

I do hope that your situation resolves itself and that your eyesight remains intact.  And please thank your GP for his or her diligence.

Khristy
  


  

 jocelain, on Sep 25 2009, 12:29 AM, said:

"
Very interesting post, I hope it gets some more hits.  I took Serzone for 3yrs in late 90's and I still see the purple floaters as a result.  I too take Klonopin during day for anxiety and vertigo issues and temazepam for sleep.  I've been on every ssri out there and had terrible side effects so didn't stay for long.  I've also tried Risperdal and Zyprexa for sleep and anxiety but only for a week or so.  I truly believe some of my issues with my eyes/vision/balance could be med related.  I googled TED but couldn't get any answers to this issue.  I'm concerned as my dad has macular degeneration.  I'm curious, did you say Risperdone could "help" your arthritis and mac den or cause them?  I too just found arthritis in my neck but then again i was an aerobic queen too for many many years and my mom is loaded.  I'm 48yrs old.   "

Taken me a while to respond to this feedback on my original post on the subject of mac degen and antidepressants. But I have a follow-up, which really isn't much helpful information on the subject of eliminating effexor in the effort to reduce drusen. Well apparently that was too much to hope for, as I returned to the same opthalmologist, clean off Effexor (ouch), and all she said was that my drusen hadn't gotten worse. If I decide to stay off AD's, I don't need to see her for another year. If I now start another AD, she wants to see me in 4 months. I really don't know what I'm going to do, as this is a brutal time of year to go clean! My psychiatrist retires in November, after 25 years with me, and she doesn't seem to really have answers either.

To answer your question about risperidone: was not taking to help with mac degen or arthritis. Doctor was addressing my need to wean off effexor, and get good sleeps. I'm going to leave it alone for a while, but have some other ideas about mirapex and restless legs.Mirapex doesn't seem to be a simple drug, and I have suspicions that it may be affecting my "money management", which is decidedly worse since I started it. I'm throwing a whole lot of things out here, but I'm wondering about Effexor causing RLS in the first place (or at least exacerbating it). I truly feel s***ty now that I'm off my effexor, but better than I was weaning off it. Don't know if I can stick it out and stay off anything. I'm aiming to decrease Mirapex next as I think it may be the culprit fro both mac degen and even early arthritis.

There are SO MANY side effects to all these drugs. It is such a huge list of problems people have had. I would like to go totally clean, but don't know if I can do it. I am even suspicious of estring (estrogen ring in vagina) causing huge weight gain. Again, the timing is right, and here I thought this was a purely local HRT. In my research I am cross-referencing EVERYTHING and coming up with a "cat's cradle" of connections!

Anyone else with weight gain, arthritis, mac degen (drusen), restless legs; on clonazapam, mirapex resperdone and estring? Actually I just pulled the estring out, and started reducing mirapex tonight. Off Effexor, YEAH! Libido back to normal, too bad about the estring...
P.S. don't know if I responded to your query re TED or not. Google TED and antidepressants together. Just food for thought.

[Kellygirl2]

Hi,

I too am a designer and was devasted to learn I had drusen as well.  I have been taking Effexor for many years.  I am so glad I came upon your post.  I will definitely look into an alternative to Effexor!  Maybe my drusen will lesson, hopefully.

 jocelain, on Mar 15 2009, 07:51 AM, said:

'But the most alarming was a drastic alteration in her vision. It started as just being blurry, but later got so bad as to have streaks with spots of light... After only one dose of that her pupils are dilated and she's starting to shake again. I haven't found any specific references to such visual problems as these on any sites about Effexor (or at least ones this severe). '

After being on Effexor xr for 13 years now, I thought I had made myself aware of all the side effects, at least for me. I started in my early-forties, after weaning my son, and have stayed with it through all the life changes of the 50's. When in my early 50's I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, I was very alarmed. I worked at a physical job as a display merchandiser, and was in good shape. Neither of my parents (now in their late 80's) ever had arthritis. I figured my years of running and high-impact aerobics had decided to pay me back. I had to change jobs, and have made plentiful use of tylenol with codeine at night to sleep. Not to mention thousands of dollars spent at naturopaths, osteopaths and chiropractors.

A couple of years later, my eyesight became notably worse. As a designer, I was really concerned, as my ability to differentiate colours was greatly impacted. I decided to see a specialist and was told that not only did I have predictable (for my age) cataracts, but that in examining my eyeball interiors, I had signs of drusen, which is indicative of macular degeneration. I couldn't believe it, so I saw another specialist. Now this is something that usually is genetic, and there again, I have my octogenarian parents, who wear glasses, but certainly never got this diagnosis! I got the same diagnosis the second time.

This year, the vision thing started to get way worse. I had several incidents night driving where the glare from headlights would blind me so much that I couldn't read a road sign when I placed it in my centre of vision. Several times I got lost in cities I knew my way around. One day I woke up and didn't need glasses at all! That was an anomaly. Recently my right eye has been seeing more poorly. This is all within less than two years. A few months ago I told my G.P. I'd like a 3rd opinion. I waited  to see the "best specialist" in Toronto, and heard another story this week. She is convinced that there are certain families of anti-depressants that are responsible for symptoms that mimic age-related macular degeneration. She sent me for a whack of eye tests at the hospital across the road, and wants me back in 6 months once I've weaned myself off of some of my meds.

I told her I had googled and researched this, looking for connections between effexor, mirapex (which I take for severe restless legs (started in my late 40's), clonazapam for getting to sleep, and most recently risperidone which is supposed to give me a better sleep and treat what could be manic or bipolar like symptoms, and both arthritis and "mac degen" symptoms! She said that what she's discovered as a specialist with a LOT of people through her office, is that most people don't TELL their doctors (specialists such as opthalmologists) what they're on! She says she has a few other patients who are taking similar drugs to me, and have these drusen-like markings in the back of their eyeballs.

When I read your posting, and other more recent blogs and comments after googling the drugs and symptoms, I see a pattern! People talk of twitching limbs, swollen joints and problems with their eyesight! My husband and I decided to take the lack of libido in stride, if I were happier. Now I realize that there may be much more serious side-effects at stake here. I have managed to wean myself from 262.5 mg to 150 mg in the past 6 months. I always suspected the drug was "messing with my fluid levels" as I put it to my psychiatrist. We tried celexa and cyprexa with no good results. Previously when I first went on Effexor, we tried probably 8 other meds before coming back to Effexor as the one best for my type of depression. In the last year and a half I've put on 25 pounds as a result of not being able to exercise comfortably because of my knees. Sometimes I walk with a cane. I still work on my feet, so have to rest between shifts, and fake it those days!

I know you wrote this post a long time ago. I just found it, as I suppose I gave up looking for answers online a year ago or so. Now I think I have some common sense answers. You're a gem to be doing this research for your girlfriend. Let me know if you were able to find a solution for her situation. I know we are all unique, and what works for one type of illness, won't work for another. I think the pieces of the puzzle are starting to dome together. Just for fun, try googling "TED antidepressants love" and listen to a lovely take on this whole situation of antidepressants in our society! Thanks for your post

Edited by Kellygirl2, 09 January 2010 - 12:49 AM.