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Feb 21 2007, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(undertheblackclouds @ Feb 21 2007, 11:44 AM)  Hi Autumn, thanks for the reply. I was on 15mg for the first week and was then told to up it to 30mg. I am following Weight Watchers again now and I was wondering if the people who had gained weight on it had given into the extra hunger pangs and filled the feeling with food junk food? I don't know what to do.  Hi I have been on zispin for 13 months now and i have just began to reduce my dose. In all honesty i gained weight on it whether i ate the junk food or not. I went for a short break with my mother and aunts and we all ate the same food in fact i probably ate slightly less and when we all went back that week to weight watchers they all had put on between 1 and 2 pounds..... not me i had put on 5. In total i have gained around 30 odd pounds since starting it and my weight was normal back then. That said however , i do not for one moment regret having taken it as it did save my life and i have now been fully recovered for over 8 months now. There is no price on your mental health,i think its better to get well then to deal with the weight issues. Good luck Nell
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Mar 20 2007, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(rubyice @ Mar 4 2007, 05:46 PM)  This is the one thing that is scaring me starting this, weight gain, I need to lose not gain! Same here
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Mar 21 2007, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(thestickman @ Mar 20 2007, 10:18 AM)  QUOTE(rubyice @ Mar 4 2007, 05:46 PM)  This is the one thing that is scaring me starting this, weight gain, I need to lose not gain! Same here I have experienced weight gain over the last several months (30mg dose) but the benefit of the Remeron has far out weighed ( sorry; no pun intended) the weight gain. I don't like it but w/ some lifestyle changes and more exercise I should be able to deal with the weight issues. The Remeron has brought my anxiety/depression (adjustment disorder) to a manageable level to allow me back to a fairly normal routine. Any anxiety / depression peaks, while still painful and scary, don't last very long and I can get them under control (which I couldn't do before).
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Mar 21 2007, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE I have experienced weight gain over the last several months (30mg dose) but the benefit of the Remeron has far out weighed ( sorry; no pun intended) the weight gain. I don't like it but w/ some lifestyle changes and more exercise I should be able to deal with the weight issues.
The Remeron has brought my anxiety/depression (adjustment disorder) to a manageable level to allow me back to a fairly normal routine. Any anxiety / depression peaks, while still painful and scary, don't last very long and I can get them under control (which I couldn't do before). Glad its working for you. I am sleeping better (reason I started taking it) thankfully. Hard to shake off the drowsiness during the day. Prozac makes me sleepy also so between the 2 it's a hard thing to stay awake all day. Been so angry/grouchy last 2 days staying awake has been easier but not a lot of fun.
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Mar 22 2007, 11:34 AM
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Happy to report weight is down to *** from 2 days ago when it was ***. I didn't do anything fancy, just no more ceral after dinner. I am hungrier now than before the meds, but I was 25lbs overweight when I started taking the meds. While I dang sure didn't bring on a depressive episode so I could lose some weight (would rather play in dirty cat litter) losing weight now is a side benefit to all this, I suppose. Feeling a bit better today. Had to take an ativan earlier to calm down as I had an anxious/agry spell. Just looking forward to being well again.
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May 29 2007, 03:23 AM
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Remeron was just one of the many ADs I've tried in 18 months. I started it in July '06 and within 4 months had packed on 20 pounds despite working out regularly and eating wholesome foods. Not only that, but it made me as lethargic as hell. I quit taking it in November and that very nearly killed me. Or perhaps less dramatic, it was the closest I've ever come to seriously committing suicide. Hope this helps anyone, someone.
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May 29 2007, 04:19 AM
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To all above, esp. undertheblackclouds...
Me too, started with the weight gain (25 lbs in 5 weeks!), then it leveled out for about three weeks, and then the past two weeks I've lost 10 pounds. I did increase the distance that I walk and swim but I was going to do that anyways. I now swim 30 minutes in the morning and walk 30 minutes about a half hour after I eat dinner. I still have to eat something before I go to bed though, the hunger doesn't let me get to sleep. This is my 'terminal velocity', I think.
I also have friends that gained weight and lost it after a time, without changing their activities. And I have friends like some of the above, they were too skinny due to their depression/anxiety, that the weight gain was welcome. I, too, have friends (as above) that the affect on their MH issues (positive) far outweighed their concerns about their weight (figured the trade off was more than worth it.)
So time will only tell for you, but give it a chance, sounds like the mirt. is working for you, and ain't that a relief, it sure was for me.
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Dear ok-noggen, Post #11...."Remeron was just one of the many ADs I've tried in 18 months. I started it in July '06 and within 4 months had packed on 20 pounds despite working out regularly and eating wholesome foods. Not only that, but it made me as lethargic as hell. I quit taking it in November and that very nearly killed me. Or perhaps less dramatic, it was the closest I've ever come to seriously committing suicide. Hope this helps anyone, someone."
Isn't it important to taper slowly? I'll say. Most of the pDoc I have talked to suggest that you taper at 1-2 times the amount of time that it takes to load. The funny thing is most Dox use half-lifes t determine in their minds how fast you can taper, if at all. But the reality is, the blood-brain barrier inhibits the passage of chemicals into and out of the CSF (cerebral spinal fluid)/blood interface. So even when the chemical is out of your blood stream, the concentration in your brain is still much higher. That is why they take a while to work, as opposed to something like lorazapam or alcohol (which pass freely in either direction), and also why they need to be tapered. That, plus the fact that the neurotransmitters they effect don't do their jobs as affectively, and without their helpers, they dysfunction badly.
This is the same process that opiate addicts face with withdrawal. When one takes opiates, the body stops making our natural opioid compounds, like endorphins, and so when the body stops getting its exogenous opioid, it hurts. And it hurt until the body starts making an adequate amount of endorphins.... yours, w.
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Jun 1 2007, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE(lambvet @ May 29 2007, 11:19 AM)  Isn't it important to taper slowly? I'll say. Most of the pDoc I have talked to suggest that you taper at 1-2 times the amount of time that it takes to load. The funny thing is most Dox use half-lifes t determine in their minds how fast you can taper, if at all. But the reality is, the blood-brain barrier inhibits the passage of chemicals into and out of the CSF (cerebral spinal fluid)/blood interface. So even when the chemical is out of your blood stream, the concentration in your brain is still much higher. That is why they take a while to work, as opposed to something like lorazapam or alcohol (which pass freely in either direction), and also why they need to be tapered. That, plus the fact that the neurotransmitters they effect don't do their jobs as affectively, and without their helpers, they dysfunction badly.
This is the same process that opiate addicts face with withdrawal. When one takes opiates, the body stops making our natural opioid compounds, like endorphins, and so when the body stops getting its exogenous opioid, it hurts. And it hurt until the body starts making an adequate amount of endorphins.... yours, w. That was interesting. Thanks for sharing Lambvet. Autumn
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Jun 23 2007, 03:39 PM
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During the first few weeks on Mirtazapine I was constantly hungry and tired, and, resultantly, put on a fair amount of weight. This was quite distressing, as I have always been very slim, however, as the dose increased these effects have subsided enormously and the weight has fallen off again rather quickly.
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Jul 3 2007, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE(Waft @ Jun 23 2007, 10:39 PM)  During the first few weeks on Mirtazapine I was constantly hungry and tired, and, resultantly, put on a fair amount of weight. This was quite distressing, as I have always been very slim, however, as the dose increased these effects have subsided enormously and the weight has fallen off again rather quickly. Waft, It seems like some people experience fewer side-effects on a higher dosage, indeed. I felt more tired during the day when I was on 15mg than when I was on 30mg. I'm glad your tiredness and hunger have subsided! Take care, Autumn
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Jul 4 2007, 02:20 PM
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Oh boy, I definitely gained weight despite the fact that I exercise A LOT. Swimming at least 6 hours a week...I exercised my normal amount as usual, yet gained 15 pounds. My appetite has always been huge, so it's not like I ate too much more than the normal amount I eat. It's definitely the Remeron.
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Jul 4 2007, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(hello_world @ Jul 4 2007, 02:20 PM)  Oh boy, I definitely gained weight despite the fact that I exercise A LOT. Swimming at least 6 hours a week...I exercised my normal amount as usual, yet gained 15 pounds. My appetite has always been huge, so it's not like I ate too much more than the normal amount I eat. It's definitely the Remeron. It's not a problem for me. Why not just go AD-free and try something like St. John's Wort?
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Jul 4 2007, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(s1lm @ Jul 4 2007, 02:22 PM)  QUOTE(hello_world @ Jul 4 2007, 02:20 PM)  Oh boy, I definitely gained weight despite the fact that I exercise A LOT. Swimming at least 6 hours a week...I exercised my normal amount as usual, yet gained 15 pounds. My appetite has always been huge, so it's not like I ate too much more than the normal amount I eat. It's definitely the Remeron. It's not a problem for me. Why not just go AD-free and try something like St. John's Wort? hmm well I am actually going to be stopping Remeron soon! I hope the weight will come off quickly after that, but I'm not so sure. Does anyone have any info about losing weight after going off Remeron?
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Jul 5 2007, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE(rubyice @ Mar 4 2007, 02:46 PM)  This is the one thing that is scaring me starting this, weight gain, I need to lose not gain! I was so thinking the same thing!! I would rather be depressed then ever gain anymore weight! Isn't there some kind of an alternative
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Jul 5 2007, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Autumn @ Jul 5 2007, 05:33 AM)  QUOTE(blueskies01 @ Jul 5 2007, 07:32 AM)  I would rather be depressed then ever gain anymore weight! Isn't there some kind of an alternative Weight gain really seems to be a problem for you. Some don't mind if they really do feel better. But the benefits don't seem to outweigh the side-effects you're experiencing. Did you discuss this with your doctor? Perhpas he/she can help you find a suitable alternative? Keep us posted! Autumn  I haven't started on any meds yet, but my doc had mentioned to me last week that he was going to prescribe me some. I see him again on Tuesday, so let's what medication it will be. I'm already dealing with a weight issue, I'm afraid now after reading up on all these side effects.. I dont want to gain anymore weight.
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Blueskies01, I understand your concerns... Although it is a common side-effect, starting on Remeron doesn't necessarily mean you'll gain weight though. Finding a right AD is pretty much a trial and error process, unfortunately. You could give it a try and see where it takes you? Do share your worries with your doctor so he/she can give you enough information or look into an alternative if necessary. Let us know how you get on! Take care, Autumn
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Jul 31 2007, 09:39 AM
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This may sound a bit harsch... But...
Gaining weight isn't really space research. Yes, Remeron might put some pounds water in your body, but this will come off as soon as you stop it. And yes, there are reports that Remeron does lower your metabolism a little bit, most likely because you feel calmer, and sleep better. It all makes sense.
But, other than that, what controls the weight that you have is the amount of calories you consume, minus the amount of calories you use up during the day, working, excercise, whatever it is you are doing. It's just simple and logic mathematics. A car doesn't go anywhere without fuel, and the amount of fuel you put in is also the amount of miles you can go with the car. Same goes with weight gain, there is NO way what-so-ever a person can gain weight without consuming more calories than they use up. I wouldnt worry too much about gaining weight with remeron, as weight gain will be as easy to control with or without using Remeron, your appetite might be harder to control as some experience higher appetite - But, if you know you can control your appetite without Remeron, there is no need to worry about gaining weight with remeron, the same formula will work, control you appetite, and if your amount of consumed calories per day, minus the amount of used calories per day equals zero, you will not gain any weight.
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QUOTE(oozle @ Jul 31 2007, 10:39 AM)  This may sound a bit harsch... But...
Gaining weight isn't really space research. Yes, Remeron might put some pounds water in your body, but this will come off as soon as you stop it. And yes, there are reports that Remeron does lower your metabolism a little bit, most likely because you feel calmer, and sleep better. It all makes sense.
But, other than that, what controls the weight that you have is the amount of calories you consume, minus the amount of calories you use up during the day, working, excercise, whatever it is you are doing. It's just simple and logic mathematics. A car doesn't go anywhere without fuel, and the amount of fuel you put in is also the amount of miles you can go with the car. Same goes with weight gain, there is NO way what-so-ever a person can gain weight without consuming more calories than they use up. I wouldnt worry too much about gaining weight with remeron, as weight gain will be as easy to control with or without using Remeron, your appetite might be harder to control as some experience higher appetite - But, if you know you can control your appetite without Remeron, there is no need to worry about gaining weight with remeron, the same formula will work, control you appetite, and if your amount of consumed calories per day, minus the amount of used calories per day equals zero, you will not gain any weight.
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CrazyPlace, A very warm  to you! Thanks for joining us in the Remeron room! I was sorry to read about your struggle with depression and pain. And I'm sorry for your loss. It must be very hard on you to have lost your father You mention the food craving now that you're on 15mg of Remeron. As you may have noticed, you're not alone! I personally didn't have a problem with it while on this med. I think I can only say: try to eat as healthy and regularly as possible and exercise. I think it helps for most people. There's no use in cutting down on your food intake 'cause that's when your body starts to burn less. Keep us posted! I hope you feel comfortable around here! See you around, Take care, Autumn
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i went from 145lbs up to 190lbs after 2 years of remeron!
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QUOTE (psychocandy @ Oct 18 2007, 04:03 AM)  Just wondered... Does Remeron make you gain weight because you eat more (increased appetite)? Or is it something else like affecting your metabolism? (i.e. you gain weight even if you eat the same) I think it is two fold as in both. I had a similar reaction when I took trazadone as an AD as opposed to a sleep aid.
So, I when I took mirt. I had a crazy munchies (way worse than cannabis) until I reached 45 mg. and then the munchies stopped. Exercise helped me lose the weight I had gained. However, I think that there is a certain amount of slowing of the bowel peristalsis allowing the gut to absorb more of the nutrients (read calories, lol) but I think that traz. is better at this since a SE is constipation.
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QUOTE (psychocandy @ Oct 22 2007, 03:37 AM)  QUOTE (lambvet @ Oct 21 2007, 08:30 PM)  QUOTE (psychocandy @ Oct 18 2007, 04:03 AM)  Just wondered... Does Remeron make you gain weight because you eat more (increased appetite)? Or is it something else like affecting your metabolism? (i.e. you gain weight even if you eat the same) I think it is two fold as in both. I had a similar reaction when I took trazadone as an AD as opposed to a sleep aid.
So, I when I took mirt. I had a crazy munchies (way worse than cannabis) until I reached 45 mg. and then the munchies stopped. Exercise helped me lose the weight I had gained. However, I think that there is a certain amount of slowing of the bowel peristalsis allowing the gut to absorb more of the nutrients (read calories, lol) but I think that traz. is better at this since a SE is constipation.
Peace and Love... wayneWayne, Another good reason to possibly increase my dose... BTW. Seeing my doc tomorrow am. I hope that works out for you as well as it did me, but now you will have to work the rest off.
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Oct 26 2007, 06:41 AM
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I was on Zispin for over 3 years and during that time put on over 2 stone (28lbs). I didnt feel that I was eating any more than normal but the weight just seemed to keep piling on. Have to say that I was getting virtually no exercise so that would not have helped. Its been 6 weeks now since I took my last soltab and already I have lost 16lbs. Still eating the same as normal but exercising a couple of times a week as well. Still need to loose about 20lbs more but thats a work in progress. Definately light at the end of the tunnel
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QUOTE (Gemms @ Oct 26 2007, 04:41 AM)  I was on Zispin for over 3 years and during that time put on over 2 stone (28lbs). I didnt feel that I was eating any more than normal but the weight just seemed to keep piling on. Have to say that I was getting virtually no exercise so that would not have helped. Its been 6 weeks now since I took my last soltab and already I have lost 16lbs. Still eating the same as normal but exercising a couple of times a week as well. Still need to loose about 20lbs more but thats a work in progress. Definately light at the end of the tunnel  Congrats Gemms,
Yep, a bit of exercise even worked for me as I still take it, but I actually stopped gaining when I went up to 45 mg. per day. But good for you and I hope the next 20 go quickly for you. DO NOT OBSESS!!! 
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QUOTE (SexyBack1977 @ Sep 9 2007, 12:02 PM) 
i went from 145lbs up to 190lbs after 2 years of remeron!
Aaaargh! Have you been able to get any of that extra weight off? Or are you okay with it? Welcome, by the way. I'm increasing my dosage now, currently at 30 and will increase to 45 to see if anxiety is in check and munchies diminish. I'll still take 22.5mgs at night since that is what I use for sleep; the rest I'll take in the a.m. I'm also on WB150 which doesn't have any affect on my appetite. I'm weaning off Lexapro (substituting mirtazapine for the anxiety relief). What dosage of Remeron are you on? Cheryl
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QUOTE (undertheblackclouds @ Feb 20 2007, 06:39 PM)  Hi there I have been on Mirtazapine for 11 days now and it has dramatically improved my mood. However before I had this period of depression, I was successfully doing Weight Watchers and had lost 7 lbs. Since I have been on Mirtazapine, I have put on the 7 lbs I lost. Now I have eaten a small amount of junk food, however not enough to justify such a dramatic weight gain and I was wonderin if this is going to stop as it will only bring back my depression. However I am scared to change it incase my depression takes over again? Any ideas or experiences? Hey, I'm 18 years old, nearly 19 and I have been on the anti depressant Mirtazapine for 10 months and I was diagnosed with severe depression. It was triggered of by my underactve thyroid becoming increasingly too low. I am now fully recovered and have only just started to decrease my dosage. I am on 45mg at the moment and today having it changed to 30mg. I was a healthy 7 and half stone before my illness and now am 9 stone. I want to go back down to 8 and half/ 8 stone. I am a size 8-10 now. I wanted to know if you lose weight once you have come off the medication entirely? thanks for your help
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