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post Jun 27 2006, 01:02 PM
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SEATTLE — An American Association of Suicidology expert consensus panel has developed the first evidence-based list of warning signs for suicide—and fashioned a mnemonic designed to help get out the message.

The mnemonic, which AAS officials hope to disseminate widely as an easy aid to addiction specialists, emergency medicine specialists, primary care physicians, and the general public in identifying individuals who are at heightened suicide risk, is the following: IS PATH WARM?

This mnemonic phrase is an attempt to introduce a semblance of order and coherence into what until now have been the totally chaotic efforts of a multitude of organizations trying to assist the public and others who are not mental health clinicians to spot those in need of help, M. David Rudd, Ph.D., explained at the annual meeting of the American Association of Suicidology.

To illustrate the current chaos, he described his Internet search on Google using the key words “warning signs” and “suicide,” which returned more than 180,000 hits. He and his coinvestigators then selected 200 of the most popular Web sites for closer examination and determined those sites collectively listed 3,266 warning signs for suicide, many of them duplicates.

“Try to put that on a card you can carry in your wallet,” quipped Dr. Rudd, the association's immediate past-president and chair of department of psychology at Texas Tech University, Lubbock.

Next, the investigators scrutinized a random selection of 50 of the 200 Web sites. They counted 138 distinct suicide warning signs listed therein, almost none of them evidence based.

For example, among the purported warning signs was phoning one's grandparents, which is hardly specific for suicidality.

“If I asked, what are the warning signs for stroke, heart attack, or diabetes, just about everybody in this room could give me a pretty accurate representative list. I think it's a tragedy that, in this field, we can't offer a coherent, consistent, compact, and empirically supported list of warning signs for suicide,” Dr. Rudd continued.

“When you can get on the Internet and find 3,200 warning signs, all we are doing is confusing the public. What happens is you get people intervening in entirely inappropriate circumstances. This mnemonic is an effort to try to stop that.”

AAS Executive Director Lanny Berman, Ph.D., conceded the sensitivity and specificity of IS PATH WARM? for suicidal behavior “is not great.” Indeed, the warning signs referred to in the mnemonic are associated with evidence of increased risk of suicidal activity sometime within the next 12 months.

“We don't have research that says, ‘In the next 24 hours, or 48 hours, or 3 months.’ We're not at that stage,” he said.

But that doesn't unduly bother Dr. Morton M. Silverman, editor of the AAS journal Suicide and Life-Threatening Behavior.

“We teach everyone that when they have a lump in their breast, they need to go see their physician. We teach everyone that when have chest pain, they'd better get medical attention.

“It doesn't mean that the chest pain is a heart attack or the lump in the breast is necessarily breast cancer. But those are warning signs that something might be amiss,” said Dr. Silverman, also the senior adviser to the Suicide Prevention Resource Center and a psychiatrist at University of Chicago.

“Warning signs do not equal suicide,” Dr. Silverman stressed. “They are prompts that should get an individual to seek help or get a clinician to do a proper suicide risk assessment.”

Dr. Berman expressed disappointment that other mental health organizations, such as the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and American Psychological Association, have yet to adopt IS PATH WARM?

“They're wed to their own warning signs despite the fact that [those signs] aren't supported by research,” he said.

“SAMHSA [Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration] has included our message in its 800-273-TALK [8255] wallet cards and other materials. They printed at least 50,000 of them. But that's a drop in the bucket. We need 50 million of these in people's hands,” Dr. Berman said.


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Other mental health groups are wed to their own warnings despite the absence of research. DR. BERMAN

Warning Signs Seen as ‘Prompts’
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Mnemonic Fits on Wallet Cards:

I Ideation

S Substance abuse

P Purposelessness

A Anxiety

T Trapped

H Hopelessness

W Withdrawal

A Anger

R Recklessness

M Mood changes

Source: American Association of Suicidology


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post Nov 27 2006, 10:10 PM
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What do these mean though?

Like Ideation doesn't mean a thing to me. Also, Anger is very broad and could mean a huge vareity of things.

It would help a lot if the list were explained some, its more of a reminder type thing in my oppion, and what good is a reminder if you don't know what its reminding you of.

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post Nov 28 2006, 10:07 PM
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Ideation is when someone dreams death, thinks about death or dying alot, almost constantly and it becomes an 'out' and very alluring.

I think anger in this sense, is irritability and moodiness, snappiness, or even all out violent behaviour, more than typically displayed. goes hand in hand with recklessness.


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Ok, thank you.

I think the rest are pretty clear...
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post Nov 29 2006, 12:57 AM
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I'll tell you how I interpert them. I think they are a little broad because being suicidal is a very individual experience that a lot of people go through yet experience in isolation.

I Ideation -- havng thoughts of wanting to die.
S Substance abuse -- I think this plays in with recklessness...but going over board with drugs or alcohol
P Purposelessness -- to me this is losing meaning in life. i.e. something you might hear, "what's the point of living."
A Anxiety -- I imagine anxiety increases because of the ambiguity of the situation...one get's wrapped up in what's right and wrong and how we affect others.
T Trapped -- I'd rather call this tunnel vision. One feels there is no escape from life, and that no one can help. Helplessness is a think a big key factor as well.
H Hopelessness -- I think this plays in with being trapped and purposeless. You feel stuck with no meaning and one believes there is no way that the situation will get better.
W Withdrawal -- Pulling away from the world, isolating yourself. I think this is an easy sign to recognize...does not always mean a person is suicidal though. But it is something I think people can do something about. i.e. calling and hanging out
A Anger -- I think maybe the anger might be more on the surface and easier to express. i.e maybe if a person tries to help someone in this state of mind they might lash out.
R Recklessness -- basically doing things one wouldn't normally do, because it doesn't matter anymore.
M Mood changes -- there's things like the anger above, to sadness, to being blank...and being happy suddenly.


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I Ideation
S Substance abuse
P Purposelessness
A Anxiety
T Trapped
H Hopelessness
W Withdrawal
A Anger
R Recklessness
M Mood changes


Is it worse if these things occur in order as they seem to do with me, or do they by some cruel design just always happen in that order, or does that just make it easier to remember and the warning signs could be some or all of those things?

I'm not sure that 'Ideation' doesn;t open up too much of a Pandora's Box for me but the others are very, very familiar.

Thanks so much for the information,

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It doesn't seem to happen in any order for most of us. I know mine usually starts with not being able to sleep at night, and waking up after a couple of hours and feeling tired the next day. I seem to get preoccupied with worries that maybe another person would be able to figure out and work on. I just loose all motivation and let things build up and overwhelm me. The anxiety takes hold, and I'm a wreck.

Maybe you can see a pattern to your relapses. After a couple of times of relapsing, it usually follows some kind of pattern.

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