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post Apr 23 2006, 10:00 AM
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Alcohol Cravings Induced via Increased Serotonin
by Ann Blake Tracy, Director, ICFDA

There is an alarming connection between alcoholism and the various prescription drugs that increase serotonin. The most popular of those drugs are: PROZAC, ZOLOFT, PAXIL, LUVOX, SERZONE, EFFEXOR, ANAFRANIL, and the new diet pills, FEN-PHEN and REDUX. For seven years numerous reports have been made by reformed alcoholics (some for 15 years and longer) who are being "driven" to alcohol again after being prescribed one of these drugs. And many other patients who had no previous history of alcoholism have continued to report an "overwhelming compulsion" to drink while using these drugs.

(A few personal accounts: #1 A young woman, a recovering alcoholic, reported that during the eight month period she had been using Prozac she found it necessary to attend AA meetings every day in order to fight off the strong compulsions to begin drinking again. #2 In the Southeastern United States a middle aged psychologist, also a recovering alcoholic, after being prescribed Prozac, found herself needing to attend AA meetings morning, noon, and night to keep from destroying the sobriety she had achieved. #3 A young father, who was Mormon and had never before in his life used alcohol, found himself drinking Ever Clear and exhibiting bizarre as well as violent behavior, after being prescribed Prozac and Ritalin. #4 A young mother who had never used alcohol before began drinking large amounts within weeks of being prescribed Prozac and quickly found herself committed to a mental institution due to the psychotic behavior that resulted. Added to her Prozac prescription were anti-psychotic meds and electric shock treatments. She then began to experience seizures and was started on anti-seizure meds. #5 A concerned neighbor reported her friend was drinking straight Vodka on a regular basis after being prescribed Zoloft. #6 A daughter reported her father, sober for 15 years, began drinking again on Prozac. The consistant report from these patients has been an "overwhelming craving or compulsion" for alcohol.)

For some time we did not have specific medical documentation to help us understand why this was happening. Could it be that Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, etc., being mood altering substances, were removing the inhibitions that individuals had placed upon themselves to stop their additions? But beyond this mood altering effect of Prozac, etc., there seemed to be a physiological cause for this alcoholic obsession as well. There were reports of people who rarely drank before Prozac, etc., consuming excessive amounts of alcohol after starting usage of these various drugs. For example we have the case of a young newly wed in Southern Utah who was given Prozac for a hormonal imbalance. Before that time she would have two or three social drinks a year, yet soon after being prescribed Prozac she began bringing alcohol home by the case. Many similar reports followed.

Could it be that because these drugs have such a strong adverse effect upon the pancreas [Manufacturer's warnings include such side effects as hypoglycemia, diabetes and pancreatitis.]they are producing a potent disruption in the body's blood sugar balance? This would in turn cause a "craving" for alcohol as the body reaches out for a "quick fix" to raise the blood sugar level thus triggering a vicious self-perpetuating cycle as the alcohol pushes the blood sugar level even lower after the brief high it produces. This means that those suffering a tendency toward alcoholism or any other blood sugar disorder would suffer the most disastrous repercussions of Prozac, etc., (including psychosis, suicidal ideation and violence) much faster than most. Patient reports support this conclusion.

In November of 1994 Yale published a study that gave us one answer to the alcohol cravings associated with these drugs. The study demonstrated that an increase in brain levels of either of two neurotransmitters (brain hormones), serotonin or noradrenalin, produces: #1 a craving for alcohol, #2 anger, #3 anxiety. They found this to be especially true for those who have a history of alcoholism. All of the drugs listed above are designed in one way or another to increase serotonin which in turn also increases noradrenalin. Anyone who has a history of alcoholism should heed the warning contained in these reports. And anyone who has developed a problem with alcoholism while using these drugs deserves answers as to why they have experienced such an overwhelming compulsion to drink.

America already has an estimated 10 -15 million alcoholics. To increase that number with a reaction from prescription drugs which causes a compulsion to drink is a tragedy! What a sad state of affairs that drugs which are actually being promoted as a treatment for alcoholism have the potential to create alcohol craving behavior. This is not only frightening, but absurd. It is heart-rending to listen to those who have had years of sobriety destroyed almost overnight or those who have never touched alcohol before Prozac, yet began drinking compulsively due to a medication prescribed by doctors unfamiliar with this connection. By chemically inducing an overwhelming urge to drink this effect also causes patients to mix alcohol with these powerful drugs. When alcohol and drugs are combined, one can compound the effects of the other so the resulting impairment is far worse than if the two were taken separately...even small amounts, mixed with some medicines, will deaden your senses or change your perceptions which can lead to psychotic behavior, seizures, etc. Those in this situation need to be made aware that they are not alone, and that this is a common report which is now substantiated by medical documentation. They also need to understand that it is possible to very gradually withdraw from these drugs and overcome these adverse drug reactions.


SORUCE:- References for this material: Krystal JH, Webb; E, Cooney N.; et al., "Specificity of Ethanol-like Effects Elicited in Serotonergic and Noradrenergic Mechanisms," ARCHIVES OF GENERAL PSYCHIATRY, Vol. 51, Issue 11, pgs 898-911. (This is the Yale study mentioned above.); In a study conducted by Liisa Ahtee and Kalervo Eriksson (Physiology and Behavior, Vol. 8, pp. 123-126, 1972) rats which preferred alcohol had 15-20% higher concentrations of serotonin in the brain.


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post Apr 23 2006, 10:52 AM
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SORUCE:- References for this material: Krystal JH, Webb; E, Cooney N.; et al., "Specificity of Ethanol-like Effects Elicited in Serotonergic and Noradrenergic Mechanisms," ARCHIVES OF GENERAL PSYCHIATRY, Vol. 51, Issue 11, pgs 898-911. (This is the Yale study mentioned above.); In a study conducted by Liisa Ahtee and Kalervo Eriksson (Physiology and Behavior, Vol. 8, pp. 123-126, 1972) rats which preferred alcohol had 15-20% higher concentrations of serotonin in the brain.
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I'm not sure I want to go on medicine for the treatment of depression after hearing all of these bad things. You did not list Lexapro. Does it have the same effect of causing a craving for alcohol?
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QUOTE(hello123 @ Apr 23 2006, 11:52 AM) *
I'm not sure I want to go on medicine for the treatment of depression after hearing all of these bad things. You did not list Lexapro. Does it have the same effect of causing a craving for alcohol?



If you read the disclaimer at the top of this forum you will see:
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The treatment of mental disorders is a personal trial and error process. Just because one person has severe headaches when they use Zoloft doesn't necessarily mean that if you take Zoloft YOU will have headaches too. Conversely, the fact that Paxil didn't work at all for one member does not mean that Paxil cannot be your success story. Your wonder drug or combination of, will be discovered totally independent of what may or may not work for another individual. If one drug was the answer for everyone, then there would be only one drug on the market. We all react differently to different medications and varying dosages. It may satisfy your curiousity to learn about other people's experiences, BUT this should never be the deciding factor as to what will work best for you. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.


This is a rare occurance, hello, as we have not had in six years of DF any posts on this one topic.
IMHO, this problem with SSRI's and alcohol involves people who are predisposed to alcoholism. Coopwink.gif


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Hi,

I can only confirm from my experiences that Effexor does create an added problem for those with any prior addictions, drugs,alcohol,smoking. Up to approx 150mgs there may not be a noticeable change but above this and more so after 225mgs when appetite is increased so is any other addiction. Many smokers may have noticed this on Effexor. I'm not saying Effexor will create an alcoholic,that's just a caution for those with any prior problems. Your dr should be made aware of previous medical history.

Lexapro is possibly the safest of the SSRI's, that's when it comes to interactions with other meds and side effects. If your not an acoholic now, it won't make you one!

Any issues should be mentioned to the doctor before starting any treatment.
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Having posted my personal strong belief's in Effexor, I agree that it does increase alcohol cravings and my smoking has gone up as well. On the same note, I have always liked my beer so that may play a strong part in it. I'm not a trouble maker when I'm drinking and never gone over the edge as a result of my drinking aside from being a little more talkative.


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Not having been aware of any prior alcohol problems, I started out on citalopram several years ago and nearly immediately experienced a strong craving for and compulsion of overuse of alcohol. Not so much the wines or beers, but more so the stronger beverages like vodka, rum etc. Where before I used to enjoy the taste and social setting when having a drink or two and actually preferred wine, I suddenly needed the instant alcohol-high of distilled liqour. Nasty side-effect was that when on citalopram or lexapro, the perception of being intoxicated essentially did not occur and gave me the (utterly false) impression that I was still entirely lucid. Of course I was not and that in turn created a whole slew of other problems, not to mention the adverse effects on my liver and kidneys and God knows how many braincells.

Someone very aptly described it as follows:
One drink feels like four drinks.
Four drinks feel like four drinks.
A complete bottle feels like four drinks.
Also there would be no hangover.

After I found myself having consumed 2 liters of straight Rum in 3 days, I realised that I had a problem.
I detoxed and entered into a sobriety contract with my therapist and my therapy group, but staying 'on the wagon' was a constant struggle.
Interesting tidbit is that when I took myself off meds for a while, the cravings immediately disappeared and staying sober was absolutely no problem. (Even when around other people who would drink.)
Unfortunately my depression and resultion anxiety and anger issues returned as well and so I find myself in the uncomfortable position of trying to avoid both the frying pan as well as the fire. It seems to me that the closer to titration-level I get, the stronger the urge to imbibe to excess becomes.

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The effects of alchohol when on meds will vary for each person.

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The effects of alchohol when on meds will vary for each person.

Drinking whilst on ADs is not recommended



i've always been quite the partier (not so much in recent years).
one thing i noticed that happens to me now (past five years of being on effexor) is that whenever i drink around 4 or more drinks in a night;
i black out.
this never happened to me before i started the effexor.
i could drink four drinks now;
not be drunk,
and still blackout.
it's scary.
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QUOTE (Lindsay @ Apr 23 2006, 10:06 AM) *
QUOTE (hello123 @ Apr 23 2006, 11:52 AM) *
I'm not sure I want to go on medicine for the treatment of depression after hearing all of these bad things. You did not list Lexapro. Does it have the same effect of causing a craving for alcohol?



If you read the disclaimer at the top of this forum you will see:
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The treatment of mental disorders is a personal trial and error process. Just because one person has severe headaches when they use Zoloft doesn't necessarily mean that if you take Zoloft YOU will have headaches too. Conversely, the fact that Paxil didn't work at all for one member does not mean that Paxil cannot be your success story. Your wonder drug or combination of, will be discovered totally independent of what may or may not work for another individual. If one drug was the answer for everyone, then there would be only one drug on the market. We all react differently to different medications and varying dosages. It may satisfy your curiousity to learn about other people's experiences, BUT this should never be the deciding factor as to what will work best for you. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.


This is a rare occurance, hello, as we have not had in six years of DF any posts on this one topic.
IMHO, this problem with SSRI's and alcohol involves people who are predisposed to alcoholism. Coopwink.gif


I agree to a certain extent Lindsay, but I really think the matter is not as simple as having inate predisposition towards alcoholism.
There are many aspects to depression and in my experience, depression seems to coincide with a predisposition towards addicted behaviors in general (hence the societal stygma that is often applied to sufferers of pathologically depressed behaviors.)
Not to say that all depressed are addicts or potential addicts, but the nature of the affliction to me seems to drive its sufferers to pursue nurture and in many cases self-nurture, resulting in self-medication. (And we all know where that can lead to, don't we?). Btw. Let's not limit ourselves to alcohol in this respect. Other substances and behaviors seem just as prevalent in this context.
In the case of ssri's (as I experienced with citalopram as well as with lexapro) the mental predisposition seems to be fortified by the metabolic impact of those same ssri's which CAN translate into increased intensity of cravings for abusable substances and erosion of inhibitions on healthy limits of such.

Again, respectfully just my $0.02
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What is the ICFDA that Ann Blake Tracy is Director of???

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QUOTE (Lupercus @ Feb 7 2008, 11:26 PM) *
Not having been aware of any prior alcohol problems, I started out on citalopram several years ago and nearly immediately experienced a strong craving for and compulsion of overuse of alcohol. Not so much the wines or beers, but more so the stronger beverages like vodka, rum etc. Where before I used to enjoy the taste and social setting when having a drink or two and actually preferred wine, I suddenly needed the instant alcohol-high of distilled liqour. Nasty side-effect was that when on citalopram or lexapro, the perception of being intoxicated essentially did not occur and gave me the (utterly false) impression that I was still entirely lucid. Of course I was not and that in turn created a whole slew of other problems, not to mention the adverse effects on my liver and kidneys and God knows how many braincells.

Someone very aptly described it as follows:
One drink feels like four drinks.
Four drinks feel like four drinks.
A complete bottle feels like four drinks.
Also there would be no hangover.

After I found myself having consumed 2 liters of straight Rum in 3 days, I realised that I had a problem.
I detoxed and entered into a sobriety contract with my therapist and my therapy group, but staying 'on the wagon' was a constant struggle.
Interesting tidbit is that when I took myself off meds for a while, the cravings immediately disappeared and staying sober was absolutely no problem. (Even when around other people who would drink.)
Unfortunately my depression and resultion anxiety and anger issues returned as well and so I find myself in the uncomfortable position of trying to avoid both the frying pan as well as the fire. It seems to me that the closer to titration-level I get, the stronger the urge to imbibe to excess becomes.

Just my $0.02


This sentence really struck a chord with me: "Unfortunately my depression and resultion anxiety and anger issues returned as well and so I find myself in the uncomfortable position of trying to avoid both the frying pan as well as the fire. It seems to me that the closer to titration-level I get, the stronger the urge to imbibe to excess becomes."

I had almost the exact same experience, Lupercus. Interestingly, when I went on Prozac (after weaning off of Celexa) I went an entire month without a single drink and it really wasn't that difficult. Unfortunately, the Prozac did not work near as well as the Celexa for depression (and especially anxiety) and after a year of "experimenting" with different AD's I've recently started taking Lexapro. And yes, within a week I noticed the alcohol cravings returning, although I had the same cravings with Effexor, just not as much.


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What is the ICFDA that Ann Blake Tracy is Director of???


As for "Dr." Tracy, I would check out her wikipedia entry. Regardless of that, I think there is at least strong anecdotal evidence for a serotonin/alcohol cravings connection.
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