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lynx
post Feb 25 2008, 04:24 PM
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What are your thoughts on this article? Do you agree or disagree? Why?

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How a bout of depression can be good for you
, Daily Mail, 24th February 2008, By David Derbyshire

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1774


A bout of depression could be good for the soul, a leading psychiatrist claims.

Dr Paul Keedwell says the condition may bring misery to its sufferers, but it can also leave them tougher and more resilient.

He also claims it can spark creativity and may even have been beneficial during evolution.

The theory comes as a growing number of academics question attitudes to depression and sadness.

Some say doctors and drugs firms are too eager to diagnose the condition and then treat it with expensive and potentially harmful drugs.

Official figures show that a quarter of us will suffer from depression at some point in our lives.

Last year, around 32million prescriptions for anti-depressants were issued in the UK - the most on record.

Economists say depression costs Britain around £17billion in sick leave and lost productivity alone.

Dr Keedwell, an expert in mood disorders at the Institute of Psychiatry in London, says the condition has been with mankind for thousands of years - and may have played a key role in evolution.

In a controversial book, How Sadness Survived, he claims it can give us increased resilience to cope with life's dramas and tragedies.

He said: "We see it as a defect - often patients see themselves as broken in some way - whereas I think of it as a defence mechanism.

"It has simply adapted in the human species to give us long term benefits."

A Dutch study recently showed patients coped better with problems after they had suffered from depression.

However, a minority became worse, particularly if they were isolated, or had a drink or drug problem.

Dr Keedwell, who suffered from the condition in his 30s, said: "In the severe form it is terrible and life threatening, but for many it is a short term painful episode.

"It can help people to find a new way of coping with events or your situation - and give you a new perspective, as well as making you more realistic about your aims."

Marjorie Wallace, of mental health charity Sane, said it was important to remember that while some had the inner strength to deal with depression, others needed to seek help to overcome it.


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post Feb 25 2008, 04:52 PM
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I don't think he's talking about chronic depression, but if he is, I don't think he's very well informed.

My depression completely stifles my creativity.
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post Feb 25 2008, 05:36 PM
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I bet if this doctor where depressed for just 10 minutes, he'd change his tune.
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post Feb 25 2008, 06:09 PM
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I kind of agree. I think people go through depression to learn something about themselves and it may be hard but your mind has to go through it for some reason. You may need some help to sort your thoughts out by seeing a therapist. I think people who have been through it have a different perspective on life and do learn something. Or at least that is what I want to believe..if it gets me through the day.
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post Feb 26 2008, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (heretoday @ Feb 25 2008, 11:09 PM) *
I kind of agree. I think people go through depression to learn something about themselves and it may be hard but your mind has to go through it for some reason. You may need some help to sort your thoughts out by seeing a therapist. I think people who have been through it have a different perspective on life and do learn something. Or at least that is what I want to believe..if it gets me through the day.


I think you do have a point heretoday. Having said that, I feel that the thesis of this article is a gross generalization. Too many people take their lives because of depression. How's depression good for them?

On the other hand, as the saying goes, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". If you get through depression, you can get through anything. The problem with most of us, I believe, is that depression tends to reoccur.


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post Feb 26 2008, 10:05 AM
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Sadness is good for you, but I'm not sure why depression would be. In the short term, maybe. But if it continues to recur: that simple fact is evidence that it hasn't made them more resilient. Also, doesn't the likelihood of having depression again increase with the number of recurrences?
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post Feb 26 2008, 10:50 AM
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Never been depressed has he taz.gif

I fought against medication for years. My cyclic depression is active over a 22 months period. Now that we realise that I need ADs my life has altered a lot. Hubby and I have a life together instead of me being a shaking mess on the sofa staring at 4 walls whilst he wondered whether it was safe to leave me alone.

Good for the soul ........ builds resiliance ..... I had plenty of resiliance before depression hit. I survived an 'odd' childhood, grew gently into the person I am now. I had breast disease in 1995 which I could have done without, and could certainly have done without the interruption that depression brought with it. I lost part of my life in the 1990s ....... a life I had been enjoying until depression and anxiety took over. Depression is an illness in the same way as diabetes affects people, or CF or multiple scelrosis ..... do those make it 'good' for the soul?

Depression can be fatal. Depression drags others down with it. Is that good? For any of us ...... it loses the workplace 100s of hours a week when sufferers don't turn up, it spoils events for sufferers and those with them ..........

"I think people go through depression to learn something about themselves and it may be hard but your mind has to go through it for some reason ... " <<< go through ???? Stop putting mental illness into a different category: Depression is an illness!!!! Depression took over my life and the lives of those who stuck by me. Go through what? Wasting time trying to get treatment when I should have been enjoying life?

Why doesn't happiness help us to survive, to become resiliant? I can get much more done on my happy days than those when depression takes over.

Sadness is TOTALLY different from depression ......... the only thing that we have benefitted from down the Ages is the fear/flight reflex which keeps us alive!



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post Feb 26 2008, 12:29 PM
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I kind of always try to think of the evolutionary "why" of things. I was just wondering the other day what purpose depression has. I came to the conclusion that it was nature's way of getting rid of animals once their cons overweighed their pros. But we must remember that most of our evolution created us to be animals, not to live in civilized societies. Our civilization is fairly new evolutionarily, so some of our mechanisms are screwed up, and need to be altered. I think depression is one such thing. When bad things happen to you it doesn't mean you no longer have a place, you can make yourself a new place, that is the beauty of our world today. Think of the caveman who lost an arm, he can no longer provide for his family, and he would consume resources the family needed to survive... so what is the solution? Clinical depression, so bad he sits there and starves himself to death or jumps off a cliff. Now he's no longer a burden.

It doesn't work that way today though. We aren't cavemen. Depression is an outdated mechanism, evolution just hasn't caught up with all our needs yet.
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post Feb 26 2008, 03:23 PM
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I don't think depression has any evolutionary purpose. In fact, I think it's an illness that makes the being less likely to pass on their genes, even through lack of motivation to find a partner. Since, now a days, we tend to treat illness, those with illness can pass on their genes and life skills to their off spring. Technically, the illness would occur a lot less if we were still cavemen.
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I can't go with the evoluntionary theory either ......... depression, alcoholism and gamboling are in my parental genes, I don't have a hope really but I keep pushing on 'cos I have glimpsed some good times ........ I can understand why our anxiety traits happen .... but can't see where depression fits into the picture unless it, like cancer, would once have 'taken us off' ....... off to take my meds and have a deep bubble bath with good book <wave>


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post Feb 26 2008, 04:42 PM
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ah ha ha ha i saw that article to.

maybe the author doesnt mean depression as we know it, but sadness?

he says "In the severe form it is terrible and life threatening, but for many it is a short term painful episode." i wouldnt categorise myself as 'severely depressed' because i'm functional (ie can have a job etc) but i guess its all relative - without my medication (and sometimes with it) it's 'life thratening' so i guess what he refers to is what i'm dealing with (and many others on this board).

so - no. i dont think its good for me.


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