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Feb 20 2008, 03:30 AM
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I wonder this sometimes, seeing what others think. Any thoughts, ideas, experiences etc on the subject?
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Feb 20 2008, 04:01 AM
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For sure there is a difference. It would be possible to hate your life without hating yourself, indeed i am sure there are many people who hate or at least dislike their lives, at the very least they would cherish a change.
Hating yourself is entirely different and a lot more self-destructive. A lot of people who suffer from depression will have wrangled with this one at some point in time.
Mental illness, including depression, can always be mistaken for being generally lazy and pessimistic. It is the nature of the beast that our motivation and inner happiness is ruptured, this makes us question ourselves, our lives and the future. It is easy to fall prey to hating yourself as the spiral of negative thought proccesses inevitably leads to a low self-esteem with little or no self-worth.
So anyone can hate their lives, it takes the addition of depression to hate yourself as well.
Of course, hating your life could spiral into depression and thereby end with hating yourself as well. A double whammy again, that depression serves up to most of us.......
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So long as we are loved by others I should say that we are almost indispensable; and no man is useless while he has a friend. Robert Louis Stevenson Love is the only sane and satifactory answer to the problem of human existence Erich Fromm
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Feb 20 2008, 03:06 PM
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For me, I used to think that there was a fundamental difference. It crystallized for me in a different way during my last severe dark period.
Hatred is as personal and singular a thing as love, it is its polar opposite. For me, I find it nearly impossible to love or hate anything that I don't have some sort of deep kinship with. I don't have that with 'the world.' The world for me is not something that really exists outside of several billion faces and names that I don't ever plan on meeting. So, I can't really hate 'the world' any more than I can truly 'love it.'
Looked at from that point of view, I found that the hatred I directed outward (at the world) was just my own self-hatred re-directed. The things in the world I hate could just as easily be found in me, in actuality or potentially.
So, for me, the two are at best two sides of the same coin. They are the same.
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God has become easier to understand for me now that I've seen that God kills and despoils and loves to do so.
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Feb 21 2008, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE (QNA @ Feb 20 2008, 03:06 PM)  For me, I used to think that there was a fundamental difference. It crystallized for me in a different way during my last severe dark period.
Hatred is as personal and singular a thing as love, it is its polar opposite. For me, I find it nearly impossible to love or hate anything that I don't have some sort of deep kinship with. I don't have that with 'the world.' The world for me is not something that really exists outside of several billion faces and names that I don't ever plan on meeting. So, I can't really hate 'the world' any more than I can truly 'love it.'
Looked at from that point of view, I found that the hatred I directed outward (at the world) was just my own self-hatred re-directed. The things in the world I hate could just as easily be found in me, in actuality or potentially.
So, for me, the two are at best two sides of the same coin. They are the same. you nailed it. amazing post. i completely agree with you.
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Nov 30 2008, 07:00 AM
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There's definately a distinction between the two. I don't hate the person that i am, i just hate what's happened to me in recent events.
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Dec 2 2008, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Trace82 @ Feb 20 2008, 03:52 AM)  I guess if you don't love yourself, you cant love your life, funny thing is we can change ourselves and our perception of ourselves so therefore can change our lives.
Trace Yep.. it can go hand in hand and like someone mentioned, you may hate your life but you don't hate yourself. Sometimes I hate myself and I do hate my life right now but I started recently to gain a bit of hope.
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Dec 2 2008, 01:07 PM
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There's definitely a difference for me. These days my life isn't that bad any more, but because I've spent so many years hating myself I can't get past it and just enjoy my life.
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